32:"/_next/static/chunks/33-nnthdi1o_5.js" 33:"/_next/static/chunks/3j4g02ghzm9ue.js" 34:I[32790,["$17","$18","$19","$1a","$1b","$1c","$1d","$32","$33"],"SectionProvider"] 35:Tb37,Welcome to the Yum Yum Yogi. Today we will be making a vegan omelette. This is really light, fluffy, and low carb. And it is so pillowy and tastes so much amazingly like the egg version that you have to try it. And did I mention it is low carb? There, that's how it looks. But before we start, let's remember you have a compassionate approach to life which helps your mind to stay clear and focused. So, I'm using some veggies. Use whatever veggies you want. I'm using cabbage and I'm using dill as an aromatic and some spinach. So, chop them like you're seeing, finely chop. And now let's start with the base. Take firm tofu, scramble it a little bit, put it in a jar. We're going to use an immersion blender to make it a fine paste. Now add some very high protein plant milk. I'm using a pea protein milk and add some almond flour. This gives the crunch to the omelette omelette and also it gives a skin, so you want that. And add some black salt. This is an Indian condiment and it really gives it that flavor of eggs and salt and pepper to taste. And everything tastes good with a little chili powder, so we're going to add chili powder and turmeric for color. So, now take all of this, put in an immersion blender, and finally finally puree till it becomes a fine paste. At the end, add some psyllium husk powder and whisk till completely combined. And now, take a skillet, add some oil, and add the paste to the skillet. And it'll spread because it's a liquid deep paste, so it will spread. And on top of that, add the dill and the spinach and the cabbage. And let cook for a minute or so. And then, when you are ready, you have to gently drag and fold till your desired doneness is achieved, like you are seeing. Like you could just gently keep mixing it. It's a very forgiving dough, so it will retain its shape once you do that. And keep doing that till it's done. So, if you feel like it's not done, then do some more till it is completely cooked. It will never be totally hard on both sides, but it's not supposed to be that way. So, when it's completely cooked, when you feel it's enough done for your consistency, then you just fold it into twos, like you're seeing, and there, that is one delicious vegan omelette. Let's transfer it to a plate. It just easily slides off, like you're seeing. But before we taste it, let's remember you have a compassionate approach to life, which helps your mind to stay clear and focused. Let's taste this. See, I want you to see how much like the real omelette the egg-based omelette this looks like, see? So, the skin comes from almond flour. So, don't omit the almond flour. All right, let's taste this. It's really, really good. Another bite. This is going to be my breakfast today. You know, I can taste the dill. It has a very slight flavor of dill because we used it just a little bit. And it is so divine. Yum, yum.36:T49a3,[Music] so [Music] hello a very very warm welcome back to you to women of the future this is episode four of what is proving to be an extremely exciting series for women all across the globe because we're looking at subjects that we hope will be of universal appeal because that is how it touches our hearts today's topic is entitled accumulating enough inner power as you know you need something within you to face whatever life throws at you and so we want to look at what that is where you get it and how you keep it to make yourself strong and resilient sister denise thank you so much for joining us great to have you back thank you i'm sure the audience is really looking forward to what you have to say on the subject accumulating enough inner power mr denise um this analogy comes to mind when my car tank is empty my petrol tank is empty i go to the garage to fill it okay um we're aware and almost everyone watching you is aware that if you short on power you've got to go get power from somewhere because we think that gives us power to face the days that come but how does one accumulate power and where does one accumulate power from i think one thing to bear in mind in the question of power why does a person overreact why does a person behave badly why does a person lose their cool how does a person behave when they're really running on empty it's in general badly so what i would like to communicate is that when people behave badly it's not because they're bad it's because they're weak and when people behave well it's not because they're good it's because they're strong or they're in their power when we are running on empty feeling low behaving badly we will think and other people will think about us that we're bad that we're not okay that we are um you know we start to doubt ourselves our validity as people uh and we won't necessarily pick up that all that's happening is i'm low on my spiritual energy and so i have to fill up you see when your car is empty it won't go we will go but we'll go negative ah you see when we're full we go we go positive so uh it's sort of an applicable um analogy only to some extent because we will go no doubt but this is why accumulating power is important where do we go well we have to go to a non-earthly source um so when we go to people to places to pets to things to jobs or whatever we get a temporary boost but um it it gets used very very quickly and um and we don't know any other way so we have to really be informed that when you're bad it doesn't mean you're bad it means you're weak when you're good it doesn't mean you're good it means that you know you're in your power things are going well for you you've done good karma whatever whatever so getting power you have to get inside and you have to go beyond because the source the force the light the energy doesn't come from down here comes from out there and therefore we need to learn exactly how to disconnect from this and here in order to be able to shift to the dimension or the level where you can connect to the source okay is that an issue make all of that sound so beautiful and so obvious and yet to most people watching you most of the ladies watching you it's not is it um and what comes to mind as you speaking about god is that when people present themselves to god it's usually to ask him something i want this i want this i'm suffering i'm not okay our list is long as far as god is concerned uh but yet um many have the question does god listen to what i'm saying and but what you're talking about accumulating from god is rather different from the relationship that most people have with god absolutely how do you um explain to us uh how you related to god that's different do you ever ask him for anything well the way i look at it you know when people go to god saying oh god will you sort out this problem will you fix my husband will you deal with my health you know and god will say you do it you know and then you say how i'll say look it up google it whatever [Music] but it's not understanding the function of good and in a way sometimes you may go to a friend or a higher authority or whatever sort out my problem how often do parents of a drug addicted child go to the rehabilitation center drop off the child and say give him back to me in a month fixed that's the cultural attitude we have and what the society doesn't get is a drug addicted child is a family problem the whole family needs to go to get rehabilitated you know but it no it's so and so it's somebody this is the problem i'm not the problem you know whereas i think that god is very intelligent and the way that god relates to us is to oblige us almost to force us to take responsibility for our actions and their consequences so the problem that we have which we don't realize which i think is the importance of god is that god will inform us that hey humans you have lost power and because of that you have started doing activity which is mutually destructive self-destructive and destructive of your habitat all of this is because you have no power so our our subject today is accumulating enough power enough for what how do you measure that you know as in many of the programs that we're doing it's really about rethinking everything so here's rethinking our relationship with our goodness and badness and re-uh defining it as our being strong versus being weak rather than being good versus being bad that's the first thing so if i do something bad is because i'm weak i do something good is when i'm strong so within learning how to connect with the supreme being and taking power taking light and using that to be able to do the right thing that's really what it's about now sister denise you have to present yourself to the source in order to accumulate power and for many women listening to you right now um spirituality is something that they've been interested in um you know touched upon meditated a bit done a bit of this done a bit of that because there's an instinctive um attraction for women and spirituality there's a definite link globally so how does a woman who understands that within her psyche she is in need of power um and she's aware of her emptiness she's the way of um your you know the beep sound that your cell phone makes when it's about to go flat your own battery needing to be recharged um explain to us um in a manner that's um you know easy for our ladies to understand how does she present herself to god i can't imagine you sitting on your couch saying god you're listening i need some power thanks you might well start like that start like that yes as as as gross as that and you'll just don't you um don't you have to do something to to get it i think what works is to admit god i i really have lost control of myself my life um i'm listening you tell me so rather than just giving orders to god say okay nothing's working i'm listening and it's really a sort of an act of humility and act of almost contrition where you say i just don't know what i'm doing anymore i'm listening don't you have to have a relationship with someone before you can ask such a question because it's very intimate well that's why it really takes almost like a desperation for a person to say nothing's working anymore i'm listening you know it's really an act of humility so so desperation is a good thing because you can use it to your advantage well you can okay so you talking about people who hit rock bottom actually when people have hit rock bottom and there's nowhere further down to go the only way is up and that that may be the time where you've tried everything that may be the first time that you say oh god you know and not like oh god as a desperate in a negative sense but oh god as okay um i'm listening i'm turning to you help or something like that but i mean there's a lot of people who are not going to go to a state of desperation but it may be okay let me just be quiet and let me try and listen sometimes people use the term the universe you know what is the universe going to tell me well the universe is a bunch of space with some stars and planets and black holes and whatnot which doesn't really talk but i think what people are referring to when they use that term is the the intelligence that's out there that's not a human yes see because we cannot as humans take each other out of the human predicament you cannot a lot of people don't know that sister denise because we use each other um as our resources well crutches you can say resources crutches okay and so we don't concern ourselves as to whether that person's got enough to give us we go and take because we know we're empty if i'm empty and you're empty and i take from you and you expect to get from me you know two empty boxes cannot fill each other true so you know there isn't anything left in a way here we have to go beyond we have to go out there because it in so many ways it's spent the fertility of the earth is spent the creativity spent um power to sort of lift a community out of its difficulties you know the political powers the religious powers somehow everyone is feeling that they just don't work anymore they're empty only really as a last resort we say okay if there is anybody out there i'm approaching you but again you know the silence really helps because you can hear in the silence so practicing silence is good which a lot of people find impossible to do because of the mental noise denise before you answer that i want to ask you how do you know whether god is listening if you sit um conditions you'll be met with this it has to be unconditional surrender as it were unconditional surrender what is your definition of that when you have totally set aside your ego oh but we love our egos mr denise we don't easily let go of that it's our favorite non-friend it is yeah of course it is but you know you will hold on to it until it has totally failed you and then only unconditional surrender is possible this is why it connects with the idea of pain that we were talking about earlier when pain is really intense and there's nothing you can do and nothing works that can also bring you to a point of unconditional surrender and a person who does this and takes this really it's a very courageous step to stand in front of god or however you want to call this and say you know i give up you take over that's really the signal from a human being that god waits for before he can say okay okay this is what you should do well this is will give you the experience of that support that love and that presence how does uh god communicate this denise what um what is his language well i think it's the language of feeling that is so beautiful the language of feelings so there's no um you know flesh of lightning wreck of thunder nothing as obvious as that well sometimes there is but you know i think that if you just sort of lay yourself out and say okay i surrender um very many people have reported that at such a time when it's really unconditional surrender they feel this huge wave of peace what was that you know or a huge wave of love or something that lets you know in no uncertain terms but yet wordless that there's somebody there for you and that there's accessibility you see and very often a person will experience that and it's totally unforgettable and then it'll be gone because it doesn't stay forever um it sets up a longing i've got to have that again i've got to find that source you see and that may set a person on a quest to experience the link and then you know the question of meditation practice of silence surrender all of these different ways will start to come into your mind that you know they try this try this try this and of course meditation is really a very important part of that because it's a kind of a communing with that source in stillness keeping that in your heart keeping your heart clean so that god will communicate with you through very very subtle means and when you're listening and kind of following it takes you down the road that you need to be going on but it is very easy to lose track deviate get back into your ego or whatever so it is really very subtle god's responsibility to his children is to give them power at their time of need god's promise rather than responsibilities god's promise is come to me and i will give you everything you need sure that's that's a a beautiful thing to hold in one's heart but uh the problem is we don't visit denise once uh one has accumulated that amount of power from god even if it's just the little that you just described which is a lot but just that much how then do you ensure on a day-to-day basis that you're not leaking um uh the problem is that if someone gives something to you and you're a drain without a plug you're going to drain out well this is what happens to most people it comes in and goes right out again and then people will get annoyed with it rather than look for closing the leaks because where does the leakage come is uh you start to get arrogant it'll all go away or cocky or um you you greedy or any little thing you see because god is so subtle that as soon as you go off track you lose everything and if you want to come back on track you have to sort of notice what you did that messed it up and stopped doing that what causes us to lose our power why do we do it is it because power power of the spirit is intangible and we don't realize that we're losing it are we are we that careless or are we that ignorant well i think we definitely are that careless we're definitely that ignorant and we're not particularly subtle no we're not our god is extraordinarily subtle and so i i think we have to be very very patient with ourselves and i think that there's nothing wrong with getting a little bit losing everything and then putting two and two together and seeing okay i lost it all because i didn't look after it or i lost it all because i started having negative thoughts or i lost it all because i got distracted attracted or something like this and you gradually pick up and get the point that if you want this and then you have to pursue it correctly and carefully and this is why i think also god will um present to us as our teacher and okay you have to be with me you have to come to me you have to sit with me you have to be in my remembrance and do everything in this way in order to keep me close and when you move away from that god also moves away from you you see and if you want to bring him back you have to do that thing you gradually get to see what brings him close what brings him path and start to do it so it's a very interesting way to to sort of live your life you know because if you're living your life trying to resource yourself from people places things pets jobs whatever you'll get a little bit and then you go back to emptiness you start to bring god into your life gradually and you start to have a source which is can be accumulated which you have to take care of and which is not a terrestrial thing then you really start to come close to yourself as well and you um start to become independent or non-dependent otherwise we depend on what people places things pets jobs this because if you lose something that you're dependent on you're finished if you lose something that you're not dependent on you can handle it it's the difference you're saying that god is the source of power actually the only legitimate source from what i i hear well um it's the source for your soul and if you try to feed or fill the hole in your soul with drugs or alcohol or sex or um money or whatever the thing is it won't fill it the whole just keeps getting bigger you start to fill that with gourd with divine qualities whatever there you start to be getting full there are our sisters listening to you right now who fear and feel in their heart that they are carrying problems that are insurmountable and nothing and no one can help them um there are hundreds of thousands of ladies across the globe who are on the brink of dot dot dot on on a precipice and my heart feels a lot of mercy for such sisters because help is at hand and perhaps they just don't know where to find it what would you say to to the many who are listening to you well there are a number of things that we learn in brahmakumaris about all this first thing we learn is just give it to god anything that's bigger than you unsurmountable it's not too big for god okay it's imaginable because you're human but it's not it's not so insurmountable because it's god yeah and you know your problem is very little in god's eyes in your eyes it's massive you see but in but a god will say well don't worry about it let it go you know you you have to sit with yourself and define your problem you know my problem is i don't have enough money very many people it's insurmountable problem i'm in debt i don't have enough money okay surrender it to god there is nothing else you can do because otherwise you come in the clutches of some human you know surrender your life to god surrender your mind to god surrender your negative thoughts to god you see it's like as an act you just keep giving it because as long as you holding on to the worry about it you paralyzed it's a very descriptive metaphor um worry paralyzes the soul oh yes sure okay there's a saying there is no worse disease than worry and there is no better medicine than happiness that is lovely uh yes sister denise i think on that note we have to bring today's episode to uh close worry paralyzes you that's an interesting expression and i hope it's something that you are able to appreciate and understand sister denise has shared a lot today on what it means to accumulate power and i think the deepest message is that we have a very strong tendency to look to humans and animals and things and mother nature for our sustenance but um they and those things can give us so much and nothing more and the only legitimate source of power is god but sister denise has also shared how one goes to god how you communicate with him and um how not to communicate with him for example she said that demanding something from god and you know saying i want this this and this and this is exactly how not to talk to god uh which a lot of us don't know because when we're desperate we start demanding from god and that's not the right way to do it so um i do hope that uh this half hour slot has given you the impetus to relook and rethink at your relationship with god and how you communicate with them and whether you too are feeling empty and you realize that power is at hand help his is at hand and the only true source of power is god and also denise's message is how to look after that power very powerful uh message very powerful talk and we do hope to see you again soon thank you for joining us and goodbye [Music] you37:T4d54,hello everyone my name is grace lopez charles from the uk but currently directing the activities of the brahmakumaris in ghana west africa i wish to welcome you all to the launch of our new initiative peace drops for the great green wall today's 17th june is globally being observed as desertification and drought day this world day to combat the certification and drought is a united nations observance celebrated annually its purpose is to raise awareness of the presence of desertification and drought droughts are among the greatest threats to sustainable development especially in developing countries but increasingly so in developed nations too [Music] it is one of the most destructive natural disasters in terms of the loss of life arising from impacts such as white scales crop failure wildfires and water stress to quote the words of ibrahim chui the unccd executive secretary recent droughts point at a precarious future for the world food and water shortages as well as wildfires caused by severe drought have all intensified in recent years this year the theme of the international day against desertification and drought is rising up from drought together with emphasis on the need for urgent action to avoid disastrous consequences for humanity and the planetary ecosystems the brahmakumari's environment initiatives contribution is a spiritual approach to empower great green wall initiative through inner peace universal values and personal and collective resilience the great green wall is an african-led movement with an epic ambition to grow an 8 000 kilometer natural wonder of the world across the entire west of africa africa sahel region one of the poorest places on the planet once complete the great green wall will be the largest living structure on the planet three times the size of the great barrier reef our contribution peace drops for great green wall aim to constantly shower good wishes positive thoughts and pure intentions for the success of the great green wall we strongly adhere to the belief that thoughts like words carry power through the power of our thoughts collectively we can love heal protect grow nurture and save our planet starting today and continuing every second sunday of every month we will be offering online global sessions consisting of short value-based inputs and meditation and prayers to spread drops of peace to inspire international and interface harmony across africa to encourage peace in countries where conflict continues to displace communities and to grow a wall of hope against abject poverty so we begin our first online session with the focus on cooperation peace and hope to the drought lands and the people affected by drought there will be a short input on each value followed by a corresponding meditation so let the session begin the sail region on the southern border of the sahara desert is on the front line of climate change global warming and over-farming are destroying healthy land threatening the lives of millions of people but we are fighting back with one of the most ambitious projects of our time we're growing a line of trees and plants that will bring life back to the land and transform people's lives we're growing food for the millions who go hungry every day growing a reason to stay for the families forced to migrate to europe growing green jobs giving real incomes and opportunities growing peace in places where conflict is widespread drawing a response to climate change where temperatures are rising faster than anywhere else on earth we are growing an 8 000 kilometer green wall across the entire width of africa a symbol of hope that humanity can overcome its greatest threats we're growing a world wonder the great green wall the sahel across the sahel communities are rehabilitating ecosystems [Music] to improve access and availability of nutritious food the region is characterized by recurrent episodes of droughts floods and irregular rainfall patterns the sahel region in west africa is home to 80 million people 53 of the population live in a rural context and are dependent on two main source of livelihood agriculture and pastoralism both are mutually dependent on the ecosystems wfp is working with communities governments and ngo partners to help rehabilitate land for present and future generations [Music] across the sahel 70 000 hectares of land can now be used by farming families to cultivate their crops and make a living increasing the local production of fresh fruits and vegetables together we are transforming the sound [Music] in africa's sciel region the great green wall is transforming lives and livelihoods from senegal to djibouti by restoring 100 million hectares of degraded land food security is maintained households kept afloat and jobs created introducing the great green wall implementation status and way ahead to 2030. this report provides a state of implementation and impact assessment of the great green wall with this report comes big data we have ingested the data and pulled some key result through several through this powerful dashboard we will take you through a journey to analyze the key contributions reported to date land restoration plays a central role in achieving the sustainable development goals the great green wall addresses 15 out of the 17 sdgs through the circular network you can explore the direct contributions initiated on different countries of interventions [Music] to visualize and uncover informations related to a specific country we can zoom into each of the 11 member countries to discover their key achievements for instance key results are highlighted here for ethiopia and we can see that more than 36 000 jobs were created so far as for chad 1.1 million plants and seedlings were produced to date the great green wall addresses complex challenges big data analytics enables strategic relationships and informed decision making so we are calling on governments businesses and people everywhere to make the great green wall a reality to create a unique legacy for generations to come [Music] i start the meditation relaxing the body relaxing my heart relaxing my mind [Music] i breathe deeply and slowly now come to a state of peace [Music] [Music] i go within my thoughts and feelings and i connect to the deeper parts of myself deep inside [Music] i'm a peaceful being of light and i'm peaceful i can easily open my heart my mind i open my heart and mind for the light [Music] for love and for even more peace i open my heart and mind for the divine for the supreme soul and i become even more peaceful and loving [Music] i reach out and connect to the world [Music] in my thoughts my feelings can connect to all other human beings but also to nature to the ocean to the sky to the land and soil to the forests and animals to the trees and ascend drops of peace drops of compassion to mother nature to wherever i see the need [Music] i cooperate in mother nature with the environment in this way i can do that every day i can send drops of peace compassion to my surroundings these drops can create greenery and harmony on the earth again and i take a deep breath and i return from the meditation feeling recharged and peaceful i would like to share about peace and how it relates to the great green wall initiative peace is both i think what we want to achieve as part of the great green wall initiative and also energy we can contribute to the success of the initiative the great green wall is much more than planting a wall of trees you know it's talked about as a mosaic of sustainable land use strategies that use agroecology but also i think it's a symbol of peace and interfaith harmony because it stretches across so many different countries i lived in northern nigeria in 1985 when thomas sankara was leader of burkina faso and he inspired lots of community tree planting across the country and encouraged others in the sahelian region to also plant trees now 35 years later his vision still lives on and we have the great green wall initiative and we're in the u.n decade of ecosystem restoration when i was living in nigeria i learned hausa a common language throughout much of the saheel and was struck by the deep wisdom in their language and the proverbs in greeting people you would ask how is your body how is your health how is your family how is your house how is the school how is the farm etc how are the animals but you'd also ask yaya labar dunya what is the news of the world and the appropriate response was always say al-hari it is good it is full of kindness it is peaceful and i think that positive outlook of focusing on the good and the kindness and the peace is really important there is another house of proverb i always liked salah maganin zamen you know peace respect tolerance is the medicine to live in the world harmoniously and i've been blessed over the years to live and work in many parts of the african continent and found the indigenous knowledge language and culture demonstrated the importance of peace in three different areas first the importance of peace between peoples and even between people and the natural environment the external environment you know another hausa is saying is water it heals the earth so you know the relationship between water and soil and in western nigeria they talk about if you eat the fruit of a large tree remember to thank the wind because it was the wind that spread the seeds and allowed the tree ultimately to grow trees are also really important um image or symbol in much of west africa because it's under the shade of a tree that the community gathers to um you know govern themselves and make decisions about how to move forward harmoniously so that leads to the second important part i think about peace which is uh this idea of peace within the family and the values of unity cooperation and harmony recently i was involved in doing some some research work about resilience and i was privileged to work with the dagara people who work in ghana and burkina faso in dagari resilience is captured in three words ten year which is kind of a combination of courage and patience but also the words no long and long time no longer meaning belongingness you know you're part of the community and length unity and togetherness and all of these concepts relate to resilience you know the ability to survive and respond to challenges and also to peace living peacefully so social unity cooperation harmony peace in the social context is very important but i think that that relates to the third area of peace that idea of patience and acceptance and that leads to the importance of peace within the self i had the opportunity to live and work in ethiopia for a number of years and there is a saying there from the oromo people that you need to to be like a fragile egg that transforms itself into a healthy chicken in order to do that you need to persevere and you need to be patient and then you can become whole you know peace and harmony within yourself can then spread to the outside world so the message here i think is to start with yourself and this leads me back to a very profound saying i think from the bambara people of mali makantai that one word has been translated as you know there is silence at the core of the universe where one connects with one's true being you are wise and you strive to return to that silence in spite of the noisy material and social world so when we talk about the great green wall initiative and using indigenous knowledge to make it successful it's not just indigenous knowledge of agroforestry or soil protection or land management it's also embracing local culture knowledge and relationships and i believe part of that is the ancestors want us to live in harmony with the environment live with appreciation and attitude with respect patience and acceptance and bring the energy of peace to everything we do you know to remember the sacredness of who we are as human beings living on the planet at this time and know what it's like to feel peace and honor that energy inside and consciously spread it out to the world if we're able to to contribute these drops of peace from our hearts i think they'll contribute to the success not only of the great green wall but of a harmonious and peaceful life to all the peoples and living beings of the sahelian region sit comfortably breathe gently and watch your body settle into physical stillness with each breath now that the body is relaxed focus your attention within the calmness of your breath is bringing the mind into a silent still space where there is the experience of peace feel the peace growing into an ocean filling your entire being with peace just peace in this peacefulness let me take you on a journey across 8 000 kilometers of the sahel region spreading across the width of the african continent starting at senegal and ending a chipotle [Music] this is no ordinary journey imagine you are a huge rain cloud filled with droplets of peace ready to rain on the dry parched lands of the sahel imagine that drop by drug you are sprinkling peace on the earth watch as each drop of peace transform that drought-laden land into green fields with green grass tiny shoots seedlings of trees shrubs and other vegetations slowly you the cloud moves over each country in the sahel senegal mauritania sprinkle your drops of peace and see the magical greenery appear in these lands [Music] moving on tunisia nigeria and chad once more sprinkling your drops of peace and seeing green fields and crops appear in the dry arid lands of these countries as you continue to move on in this journey refresh the mind once more that you are a huge rain cloud filled with peace and ready to sprinkle those drops of peace on this area [Music] continuing on the journey to sudan [Music] ethiopia eritrea and deputy making the aim of spreading every last drop of peace to these lands you have reached the end of your journey look back on your creation see the beautiful wonder that you have created in this area of the sahel bringing peace not just to the land but to those who inhabited the land [Music] [Music] when we look at this precious pearl which is here in the middle of outer space and we see this blue pearl the only planet that's able to support life in the way that we know at least at the moment we realize how sacred the planet is and how sacred life is this earth has supported life for millennia and when we appreciate it and we give our love and care and gratitude um to the fact that it's looking after us so well then earth responds to us with that love also for some time maybe a few hundred years we've thought about the earth not as something sacred but we've thought about it as a resource from which we can take and this is what we've been doing with aggression just concerned about consumption just wanting it to continually give to us and of course it's got finite resources it cannot just continue to give and maybe now it's time to renew our bond of faith and love with the divine and also with the earth i know that we didn't make the earth we didn't make the planet we didn't make all the things that support life we didn't make life but creation has come to us as a gift the creation of earth but also the creation of our own lives and when we begin to think about the sanctity of all of these things then we appreciate very greatly how much the creator has done for us and how we are at this moment trustees stewards of this very precious planet when we begin to see earth and its sanctity with that sacred vision then we're able to say yes we're going to do what we need to to care for you think about how parents have looked after the young ones and then there comes a time when parents are not able to look after themselves and the young ones have become adults and now they have the responsibility of looking after their parents for a long time earth has looked after us and i think it's now time for us to look after mother earth and to be able to share our prayers our meditations and our lifestyle of transformation with the sanctity of the earth let us have a few minutes of reflection in which we share thoughts of peace and purity with mother earth and all the ingredients that make up this planet that has given us such a beautiful home in which to live looking at this planet looking at sacred earth from outer space the beauty shines but as i come closer and closer i begin to see that things are not quite right and what must i do now in god's remembrance let me send peace to mother earth to all the elements that comprise mother earth the water the air the earth the fire the ether and i send thoughts of god's light and peace so that harmony is restored and nature returns to a state of calmness imbalance in tune with itself let me take the light of purity from the divine and share it with this planet so that that which has been spoiled can be purified and put right again all the things that we have done all need to be reversed so that once again earth is pure and peaceful and filled with abundance i send my gratitude i send my appreciation and my deepest respect to sacred earth apart from sending those vibrations let me also make a commitment to a lifestyle of simplicity a lifestyle of non-violence so that all that i do all that i eat and drink everything is based on these principles then truly i will recognize how beautiful and sacred earth is om shanti [Music] my respiration please [Music] is [Music] foreign the great green wall commencer despair for the millions of persons [Music] is [Music] [Music] de la for the planet and going within bringing my attention to myself to my thoughts i bring this awareness to africa to the great green wall and to the millions of people that will benefit from this beautiful project we visualize communities of greatness people in peace and prosperity sharing the resources regenerating the planet generating the soil water coming back to the villages smiles and an atmosphere of peace cooperation [Music] and hope hope for the planet hope for the millions of people knowing that the power of my conscience has the capacity to transform that which is now in degradation into something wonderful prosperous beautiful when i change the vision that i have of myself i can create the possibility to change a beautiful world that i know is possible within my heart and to share this vision with others to create hope for planet earth and for all the community of life these are the gifts of spirituality the gifts of hope peace and cooperation [Music] [Music] my name is aneta and i would like to thank you all very much for being together with us to celebrate the great green wall on the occasion of desertification and drought day 2022 we believe it's very important to share our thoughts of respect our good wishes and our pure feelings for the continuous success of the great green wall and we would like to continue it so we would like to make a humble offer for everyone who would like to join to be with us once a month for this collective time to generate this collective positive and very powerful energy of goodness and love so we propose to meet every second sunday of each month and donate together our time our good wishes our love for the success of great green wall also we would like to invite everyone individually to donate one thought just one thought one drop of peace every morning can be during the day or can be at night but it would be so good if everyone could donate just one drop of peace daily so at the end we ought to get an ocean of good wishes and love flowing from our hearts to this wonderful initiative so let us keep in touch within our hearts and let's create the word wonder together thank you and till next time you38:Tcfe,“God tells us: ‘Focus on Me and I will whisper good things in your mind’. Ego is such that it makes the mind race; it will not allow you to be still. But, to make the mind peaceful and benevolent, God keeps telling us, ‘Focus your mind on Me.’

Dadi Janki

When we start learning a new language, we go back to basics. It is the same with the language of silence. The ABC of silence comprises three closely linked steps that help to still a confused and restless mind so it can be so still and silent that it absorbs healing energy. Step A is reflection which leads toward step B, concentration, and this moves us effortlessly into step C, connection.

Step A: Reflection

Effective reflection does not mean fixing your mind on an idea and thinking it over and over again. This just wastes time and energy without nourishing either the mind or the soul. Instead, to settle into blissful reflection, first find your natural inner stillness. When it is hard to find stillness, we often try to focus the mind by repeating a mantra or a series of words over and over. But such forced techniques bring tension into the mind, rather than the freedom of stillness. True reflection and concentration cannot be compelled; they come naturally once you are quiet within.

Step B: Concentration

Once you are still and reflective, try to drift into a gentle and healing state of remembering, reflecting on who you are and contemplating the peaceful soul that you are in essence. The concentration will come to you, knowing it is welcome. Once you find true concentration, notice how your thoughts become fewer and fewer until, in an eternal moment of reflection and stillness, you reach the point of essence. We might refer to this as peace, the eternal self, or God.

Step C. Concentration

The mind can remain at this point of essence, calm and serene. Because it is so focused on the point of its reflection, there is no outward loss of energy, and so the self starts to feel full. Such a concentrated state creates an automatic connection with the self as a spiritual being and with God, the source of being. As the concentrated thought becomes more pinpointed, it ‘plugs in’ to this source of being, and a current of spiritual energy flows from the eternal source to the self. This connection is very loving and brings a special form of energy into human consciousness.

We all receive currents of energy all the time, from other human beings, from matter, and from our roles in life, but these can pollute our innate energy or block its release. The human mind and heart need this nonhuman current of the eternal source, for it creates a different circulation of energy; it creates in us, simultaneously, wonderful feelings of purification and liberation. When this connection is maintained daily, it builds a reservoir of permanent spiritual peace inside that we constantly and quietly share with others, like a flower silently offering its beauty and fragrance to all in its vicinity. Although it does not feel as if it is doing anything, such a concentrated mind becomes an instrument of the Divine.39:Ta0c,“Be aware that you are a traveller and a guest in this life. There must be no selfishness. Any desire for respect, name, or fame is selfishness. When a person gets stuck in such selfishness, he or she cannot be truly generous.”
Dadi Janki

An illusion is a false belief that we take to be real – so real that we have faith in it and live by it. Illusions deceive us into believing they can make us happy and bring meaning to life. For example, many people believe ‘the more I have, the more I am’ – that achieving prestige, wealth or position creates value, especially in the eyes of others. Such illusions ‘drug’ us into dependence, especially on the need for approval, which if not realised, can lead to fear, jealousy, depression and feelings of rejection. Such illusions impair our capacity to reach the authentic roots of our being.

Reaching our spiritual roots, or original identity, is the aim of silence. By practising concentrated silence, we can see illusions for what they are and be liberated from them. As we sit in the quiet concentration of silence, we can begin to see what illusions we are harbouring that stop our minds from being in peace.

The greatest barrier to freedom is ourselves. Someone else does not make us angry, does not appreciate us or oppose us. How we choose to react to what others do or say determines whether we remain caged or become free. The bars on the cage are our own responses, not the incidents themselves.

We find this idea difficult to accept because we have learned to escape responsibility by blaming ‘the other’. If we sincerely want to become free from this pattern, we will quickly begin to perceive these patterns and use the third eye, the intellect to observe the mind and work out what is happening, and then decide what to do. In this way, the intellect checks and then changes the direction of thoughts.

First, we need to decide this is what we want to do, to become free, to change and then take a moment in silence to bring it about. Learning to be quiet is the first practical step in freeing the self from the illusions that are blocking the spiritual journey to self-realisation.

Strano A. Seeking Silence 2011 Sterling Ethos, New York

© 2011 by Brahma Kumaris Information Services, Ltd www.inspiredstillness.com for further details3a:Tb5b,As we move forward in life, we all want to move forward lightly, with freedom. Freedom is an original experience of the soul. If we were to move to a new house, we would be wise to sort out what to take, what to leave and what to throw away. If we were to pack a suitcase for a holiday or to move on, we would be wise to make sure we only carried the essentials or most beneficial items with us. Yet, we often forget that it is also deep wisdom to do the same kind of de-cluttering of our mind. We need to sort out what our dearest values, and most deeply held beliefs are, and they are the ones to keep with us as treasures, as we travel forward. In that way we can stay moving on, holding the bigger picture in mind, which keeps us light and easy.

However, many of us keep looking back. We keep picking up the past, ruminating, reminiscing, wishing things were different, or wishing things were as they were before. All of this makes us heavy. We get stuck and then we lose perspective. We need to learn to let go of and pack up the past. Time, in its wisdom, moves forwards not backwards.

So, first of all in two words – sort and short! Take time to be in solitude and in the peace of solitude, see what our realisations and inspirations are in essence, and take them forward. Leave behind the guilt, shame, fear and worry. If we also remember to stay in the essence in the present, we will create fewer things to sort through in the future. We all talk far too much. We need to learn to keep our speaking to the essence, and not use ten words when two will do.

Secondly, there is a mantra worth remembering – Don’t Think! So many events are beyond our control and yet the tendency is to constantly react. It is important to remember that there is always a little space before we react, and that little space is where the conscience has a moment to speak. If we listen to that and stop ourselves from reacting, we are saved from the negative thoughts and emotional turmoil that often follow kneejerk reactions. Take a deep breath and extend that little space and give the self time to observe and choose the right things to say.

Thirdly learn how to apply a break, to put a full stop from time to time. Take a break during the day, to go inside and be at peace. Stay light, laugh a little at the self, do not take the self too seriously. I, the soul, am part of a much bigger dynamic of events and relationships in the world and I am not responsible for everything in it – I am responsible for how I feel about what is happening. I am responsible for what I carry with me, and some things are just not useful anymore. Let me learn the art of packing up and taking with me the valuable things I hold most dear, for myself and for others.3b:Tbda,Tolerance is the ability to remain unaffected when things do not go our way. It is the ability to accept differences and stay open and accepting. It is the ability to be able to approach an enemy with feelings of mercy and good wishes in our heart, devoid of blame or accusations. It is the ability to resolve any inner conflict with correct understanding – in short, the ability to stay loving, no matter what.

If we think we are using the power of tolerance because we are having to put up with someone’s personality traits, we are mistaken. That is not tolerance, they have already affected our attitude and state of mind. Tolerance is an act of love and acceptance, not of ‘putting up with’ someone or something.

There is a very beautiful symbol of tolerance in our world. It is that of the mother. What will a mother not tolerate for her child? This power, of the mother, to tolerate, is born from a deep inner space of love. A mother does not think of her own needs, she will do whatever she can to keep the child safe, protected and well. The more you are filled with love, the more the power of tolerance is at your disposal.

There are three qualities which help to keep this kind of love, or rather, of being loving, alive: Being benevolent, patient and content. If the first thoughts of the morning as we waken are of love and good wishes for the world and not of worry and anxiety, then this sets the direction of our day, and gives us a greater chance of having tolerance for whatever comes along in the day to come.

To have benevolent feelings is like the petrol for the power of tolerance. With a state of mind and attitude of bringing benefit and having good wishes we can learn how to make big things small. To know if a decision is a right one or not, we need only check, will this decision bring benefit? If there is benefit, then it will be possible to use the power of tolerance. Things that are not beneficial are to be let go of.

Patience is required when using the power of tolerance. Speed is not always a good thing. If we lose the power to slow down, we lose objectivity. We need to remain content and deeply understand the world of differences. See further than the outward cover of a person. Each one is a world unto themselves. Find ways to accept others as they are and take an interest in their story, then we can appreciate the uniqueness of each one and the value of the role they play. It is important to use what comes into our lives as teachers. They have come to teach us the power of tolerance and the power to face.

The power of tolerance can be kept alive each day with good wishes and loving feelings. Then we can become like an immense and mighty tree; no matter what is directed at it, stones of anger or hatred and ignorance, the tree just keeps showering fruit and blessings and offering shade for all.3c:Td12,The world is awakening to the importance of mental health. For too long the difficulties of anxiety, depression and other expressions of an unhealthy mind have been overlooked, and those who suffer, marginalized.

Anxiety and depression were declared a global mental health pandemic before Covid 19. Social distancing has left us alone with our minds by removing distractions we used to escape. This forced introversion is revealing and intensifying a plethora of mental health issues.

In the western countries, we are fortunate to have skilled mental health professionals available to offer expertise in managing these dis-eases of the mind. What can spirituality offer in this time of intense emotional and mental disturbance?

1. Understand I am a soul that lives inside a body. When the spirit enters the human body, it provides the energy to make the brain and other organs function. I am not my brain just as I am not my kidney. If the brain chemistry is out of balance, it can cause the experience of depression or anxiety. Sometimes medication is required. Understanding the difference between soul and brain allows me to detach from the experience of depression. When empowered with self-awareness, I, the soul, can support the healing process by creating positive thoughts that establish new pathways in the brain.

2. Reset to Peace Thoughts and feelings are experienced first in the mind. Just as I am not my brain, I am not my mind. My mind is influenced by many things, the external atmosphere, another person’s energy or even old memories. Over-attention to the thoughts and feelings in my mind causes distress. Through meditation I become familiar with the peaceful quality of my natural state of mind. I easily recognize when my peace has been eclipsed by another energy. Meditation helps me detach from my own mind and reset to my original state. This protects the mind from influence.

3. Loving Settlement Disturbances in the mind are caused by past actions. When I have caused harm to myself or another in some way, the memory is stored in my conscience and creates a disturbance in my mind. I cannot always identify the specific source of the disturbance as the original action may have happened long ago (even possibly in another birth). A more powerful energy field can settle disturbed energy. A consistent connection with the Divine Source settles disturbances in the mind over time by stabilizing the soul in a higher, more positive state.

4. Compassionate Response to Self The soul is eternal. As an eternal being, I have had many experiences on my journey through time, some life-threatening. Fear was a sensible response. When a present situation triggers an old memory, my mind is flooded with fear and I feel anxious. Acknowledging the feelings brings relief and accepting their transience gives rise to compassion and the ability to let go. This puts the anxious feelings in perspective and stabilizes my mind.

Spirituality empowers the soul with self-awareness, builds resilience and fortifies mental health, especially needed in these extreme times.3d:Tc60,The India-born author and poet Rudyard Kipling famously described emotional stability in his poem If: A Father’s Advice to His Son. The poem begins: ‘If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs - and blaming it on you.’

The poem contains much timeless wisdom, but to many of us today it would seem like an impossible ideal.

When we meet an emotionally stable person, however, they do seem to have an enviable aura of calm around them. We feel they are in balance, and that if we present them with any kind of problem, they will give carefully considered answers towards a solution.

People like this are good to have around in a family or a workplace. They appear slightly detached from the ‘goings on’, and yet sympathetic and warm.

Meditation is a wonderful instrument for developing this state of mind, but even those well on the way to such stability can sometimes be knocked off balance. Overwork can do it, brought on by an inability to delegate when needed, or feelings of anxiety when a huge ‘to do’ list seems never to be completed.

In a desperate attempt to regain our composure, we sometimes start to dwell on negative emotions, finding a strange kind of security in that because of the response it brings - sympathy, a kindly ear, or words of encouragement. But we cannot play that card too often, or people will get fed up with us.

Sometimes, a little trigger can cause a big reaction. That ‘little’ thing may be a catalyst for unravelling a whole ribbon of deeper issues that really need our attention. When we feel desperate to help another, or have many negative thoughts and ideas circulating in the mind about others, it is time to put things into perspective. We cannot fight everyone’s battles, but we can regain our composure.

It may start with sitting quietly, relaxing, maybe with a cup of tea, stepping back a little and deliberately tuning into a different, peaceful frame of mind. If it is within our ability to help the person or situation, then we can resolve to do so, but if it is beyond our ability to help directly we need to recognise that. At least by regaining our composure, we can use the mind to transmit powerful feelings of benevolence and goodwill.

A truly emotionally stable person has learned the art of mastering thoughts and feelings. When the power to do this is missing, it can be regained through connecting our own mind to the mind of the Supreme Being, the pure and bodiless One from whom we all came, and to whom we will all one day return. This is the essence of Raja Yoga meditation.

Becoming emotionally out of control is unappealing, and can destroy relationships. One of the most beautiful qualities of an emotionally stable person is their dignity. Once regained, it feels a very precious quality to have, to be maintained and protected with calm composure, love, empathy, and determination.3e:Tbcb,When we are caught up in a dilemma, we tend to do one of three things. Either we sit and stew about it or we jump into action, without thinking at all, or the worst of all, we sit frozen in indecision. What is needed to reduce the anxiety and confusion in any predicament, large or small, is clarity. The seed of clarity is twofold. First, we need information or knowledge about the bigger picture, a 360-degree view, and secondly, on a spiritual level, we need to develop our awareness.

This two-part seed then grows into a confidence where we have no more doubts or questions. We understand exactly what we have to do. It is a confidence tempered with humility, because ego will always steal away any clarity. We must also have no bias, no taking sides, because bias also blurs the truth. This confidence is based on an inner knowing and a trust and faith that whatever I do will ultimately work out in the right way, and for the benefit of all concerned.

So, what is the kind of information we need that gives us a 360-degree view? On a practical, physical level we will need some basic information about who or what is involved. However, the most important knowledge is spiritual. Whatever is happening and whoever is involved, the understanding that all of us are spiritual beings, taking part in a monumentally intriguing and wonderful movie, on this field of action, is a key component to having full clarity. The second part of the equation is to develop a deep awareness of the self. We all play so many roles, even in this one body that we occupy now. We are born in a certain culture, adopt the traditions of that culture and become totally absorbed in that identity. We cannot have total clarity if we are carrying the baggage of this physical identity. There is an identity which is higher than any of the roles we play. Through regular, daily meditation, we can develop the awareness of being the soul within the role, and then there is clarity. The soul is intrinsically pure, full of peace, love, joy and wisdom. When we are deeply in this awareness, then any actions or decisions can only turn out well.

However, our connection with God, the Supreme Soul is crucial, especially in times of great difficulty. We need our relationship with God because this is the absolute source of strength. If I understand and feel that my mind, intellect, talents and abilities have been given by God, then I will want to use them in the way that they were intended, when given, as a gift, for the benefit of humanity. Dadi Janki, the late Administrative Head of the Brahma Kumaris, always told us that the easy way to deal with any quandary or difficulty is to ask myself three questions: Who am I? Who do I belong to? What do I need to do now? Three simple questions, with three deep answers that give us the knowledge and awareness to deal with anything at all.3f:T8fa,When the impetus to follow a spiritual path arises, it arises first in the heart. It begins with a kind of awakening inside, something stirs inside from the heart. If those feelings never arose, then we would never make any further changes in our lives. Once that feeling emerges, once you start to feel differently, it is almost impossible to ignore. When it is strong and deep, from the heart, we have to follow that feeling. It is the very thing that gives us courage to move forward. A strong heart is full of determination.

Where is the heart? We all know where the organ is in the body, but in spiritual terms the heart is in the soul. It is the capacity for deep feeling. This feeling is not about emotions, but about the very deep and pure feelings that are experienced from God. The heart is like the conscience; we need to listen very carefully. If we do not listen to what the heart is trying to tell us, then later on there is upheaval and then the heart is in upheaval. It is very important to follow the heart but not simply based on our own desires. Our own desires, based on our past thinking habits will try to make the heart desire something other than the truth. It is essential to keep the heart strong and safe. A yogi will page attention to what is needed, will listen to the hearts of others, but will not be influenced. A yogi will retain and be strengthened by the truth and will not waver from that, no matter what happens or what stories are related.

In the world, people become very emotional and passionate about issues and idols and situations. Orators can speak very eloquently on these topics and easily stir people’s emotions. They can talk about hate, prejudice, war and peace but peace is not about emotion. It is about a spiritual change within. When we find ourselves becoming emotional, we need to regain the peace we have within us because emotion has no power or strength. It will take us up but then we will be brought down again, having gained nothing. A strong heart looks beyond the obvious and sees what is real and true, in any situation but most especially within each person. A strong heart sees the soul within. Exactly as God does.40:Tc0b,Our thoughts shape our experience of life, colour our view of the world, and affect our physical health. They also create the atmosphere around us, through our vibrations. We all have experience of the racing mind seemingly running away with us. Make no mistake, negative, critical, or angry thoughts have real power. Yet we should not try to stop them; it will just not work.

Instead, recognizing the active and lively nature of the mind, we should aim to harness our thoughts, and direct our energy, positively. This is so important in the current circumstances since the more positive the mind, the more it helps boost the immune system. Dadi Janki taught that thoughts, breath and energy are connected. You may notice that when you are upset or worried, the mind is racing, your breathing is shallow, and you quickly feel tired. By contrast, when you are calm, the thoughts are slower, more meaningful and carry a powerful energy, and physical vitality is increased.

The key to having control over the mind is to understand who I truly am. Identifying with the physical body means taking on shifting and fragmentary identities based on external circumstances and conditioning such as gender or culture, occupation or values. These roles distract and clutter the mind with mistaken perceptions.

The practice of meditation guides me to wake up to my true identity as a spiritual being, a soul. I understand that although I play many parts in daily life, they do not define me. Developing the awareness that I am a stable and constant soul provides an anchor to help me live in the world as it is. It also unlocks rich inner resources as I move away from the effects of external conditioning and follow the path to rediscover my original state as a being of peace, love and wisdom. Self-respect increases and, as I navigate through life making conscious choices based on inner wisdom, my thoughts, words and actions change. So, too, does the impact they have on others. The journey takes time, honesty and courage.

The mind is like an ocean, sometimes stormy on the surface, yet still, silent and filled with beauty in its depths. Exploring the inner recesses, we discover more recent thoughts and experiences, and also the stored memories and long-held attitudes that have formed our personality traits. By using the intuitive capacity to discern what will be useful and what should be discarded, we begin to clear away the clutter in the mind. Akin to the intellect yet connected to the heart, the intuition is a sure guide in deciding what to keep and what to leave behind. The deeper our exploration through meditation, the nearer we come to reaching the true, original self, and to setting ourselves free. We discover we are beings of strength and peace, filled with unconditional love and wisdom, and deep inner joy.

These qualities make up our inherent goodness and they are present in all of us. We only have to find them.41:Td7d,Forty years ago, I was very ambitious and driving myself hard as a reporter in the competitive environment of the UK’s daily newspapers. I was working as a medical and science correspondent, and had gradually become aware of how unsustainable my scoop-seeking way of life was. I learned from doctors about how exhaustion lies behind many illnesses.

At that time however I also believed that only human beings could sort out the problems we faced, especially through science, using the wonderful gift of the intellect. It never occurred to me that it is well-nigh impossible to do that on our own, because no-one on the planet has any pure judgement remaining. Instead, to different degrees, our intellects are polluted by ambition, ego, self-interest and greed, which distort our perceptions and cause us to make one mistake after another, despite technological achievements.

Then I had an encounter that literally changed my mind. In my role as a journalist, I had attended a programme in which eastern and western spiritual leaders were discussing the concept of the soul. Soon afterwards, I heard about the Brahma Kumaris, who were carrying ideas about spiritual development from India to many countries across the world.

Although my materialistic intellect found it hard to understand these ideas, I received a strong feeling of spiritual power in the company of the BK sisters I had met in London. A pure, clean and clear sense of truth touched me. The encounters were enough for me to begin to practise the meditation the sisters taught, called Raja Yoga. Through that, I eventually understood the concepts at a much deeper level.

The penny dropped that each of us really is a soul, and that our physical bodies are secondary to the spiritual being that runs them. Over time, through reincarnating many times, this being comes to identify more and more with the physical side of life, including our roles and responsibilities. Our intentions are good, but loss of spiritual awareness can cause us to lose sight of our true and essential nature – our humanity.

I have been taught to reconnect with this truth by practising the inner awareness that I am spirit, not matter, and that we come from a living source – God – who holds the template for all that is highest in me. This supreme being never forgets the truth, but remains as a pure blueprint or reference point for it.

When the world gets itself into a total mess – as many believe is fast-approaching now - God comes into the material world to explain what is happening, how we reached this point, and what we have to do about it. The BKs teach that this happened initially through their founder, Prajapita Brahma, in the early years of the movement. Those who were with him at that time then learned to pass on to others the love and wisdom they received.

So, only God can get us out of this mess! But he needs our help. By connecting our minds to the Supreme, we can draw on so much power of truth as to become free from ego and selfish motives. Happiness and wisdom fill our minds, and those vibrations start to uplift and change others. In time, as more and more people regain this true way of living and true state of mind, our world will change too.42:T48e9,busted Masters masters of change [Music] hello there welcome to Masters of change my name is Kim kunio and I'm the head of Music at the Australian National University and I'm here in discussion with my good friend Charlie Hogg and Charlie is the director of the Brahma Kumaris in Australia hello again Charlie yes hello again Kim well we've been going for a while now in these these discussions about spirituality and we're finishing off a very interesting theme that we've been doing for five episodes already and this is the last and it's about communication and so why is communication important to you Charlie you know I think um I'm a soul and when I'm in this physical world I'm just constantly communicating with myself with others with the Divine with the material world we're connecting and in a way connection is communication so it's so important that I sort of have an awareness of how to communicate and I'm also have an awareness of how to listen or receive from others too communication is a two-way two-way flow now one of the things that's come up in our recent discussions is that we can really evolve in our Communications you know and uh and maybe I could use the term transform so I'd like to ask you a personal question what Transformations do you want to see in yourself and others you know I suppose at the heart of it Kim is to I see the most powerful form of communication is the sort of the energy of awareness or the mind and I I just love it when I hold the whole the highest feelings for others because I see that communication is absolutely powerful absolutely powerful when you make a decision to see the good in another see the value in another and um hold that and I think it has a massive influence and I've really often seen you can have two types of communication you know um where you really communicate with somebody and you see their faults you know and um and you get caught up in that or you can have another type of communication where you really look beyond their faults and it has a completely different effect Charlie it seems to me to do this we need to it's almost like we need to go deep within ourselves and change some of the coding of our brains and and have more beautiful and benevolent feelings so could I ask you about how this could be achieved yeah it's a good way to describe it in a contemporary lingo a recoding of myself because I think that um you know when there's a problem we often tell people you're like this you've done this and seems to just worsen communication but I think that when I I take the responsibility and sort of realize that if I'm on the highest vibration it's going to influence everything around me so if I have a regular spiritual practice and I'm it's almost like physical fitness when you're physically fit you know you can manage a lot if you're spiritually fit and each morning you keep upgrading the awareness in your mind by you know lovingly seeing weaknesses I need to change attitudes I need to shift tweaking so that my energy my the vibe people get is high frequency as a result maybe if my relationship with God so that when I come in touch with people the feeling they get is uplifting and then really I think life becomes easy it's not a it's not a battle because when you have benevolent feelings for others almost 95 of the time they will reciprocate but if I have a sort of a mixed feeling most of the time we'll get a mixed feeling in return and then that becomes our reality some people just feel relationships are just difficult they're all difficult all people are a problem because when you enter it with that mindset that's what you do get back but if you enter with that elevated mindset to sort of tend to receive an elevated might you withdraw it from other people there's a couple of very nice points in Here Charlie one is that we can actually do this almost like a fitness fanatic would do a physical discipline yeah but it's a beautiful thing to do it's not like it's hard but just as the person who wants to get physically fit will go to the gym we can go to the gym yeah and and it seems to me that that gym is sitting on a something like this and having a bit of yoga would that be right that's right Kim and you know the yogurt is the yoga of the mind because um you know we keep you and I have been having so many conversations we keep coming back that the seed of so much is this connection with God isn't it because it's almost like that vibration it sort of UPS the anteater the vibration within me and then that just does its own Magic on me and my relationships too and that just seems to be you know you can sit down but do the yoga of the Mind the Raj yoga the the highest Union of the mind with God and that I don't know my own experience is how that just settles me you have a sense of contempt and and almost automatically when you feel better about yourself you offer more benevolent feelings to people around you and even the ones that before use to find a bit challenging so what you're saying is if we want to transform the world we better start by transforming ourselves and we'd also better not expect them to fit into whatever we think is right yeah because that's one of the great Mysteries is we just send off the good feelings and then something Cooks up yeah and I wanted to ask you about something I think which is one of the Ultimate Transformations the word forgiveness yeah it seems like one of the ultimate things that can happen with a benevolent spiritual attitude is that we can forgive others and they can forgive us well I think that Kim is the ultimate Freedom it's not to to forgive another frees me from a lot of pain actually you know a stalemate of Egos and all this sort of stuff that goes on in life it just absolutely frees me from from that type of um stuckness if there is such a word you know we just get so stuck in you've done this you've been like this and yet who is affected as me I just take myself right back into I think a very confused state of falsehood in one sense when I keep projecting onto other people rather than taking responsibility Charlie sometimes I would like to tell you a short story and I've got a very it's a little personal short story a number of years ago silly Kim was ice skating in the in the Sydney winter and I fell over and actually broke my hip quite badly and I was you know it was very bad it was shattered I had an opinion and plate put in and you know I'm generally a very Physically Active fellow and the doctor said look you you might never get your full range of movement back I'm very sorry to tell you that and I must say I was very you know I took it as like a form of hurt inside you know I have this attachment even though I see myself as a soul I love having a fluid body that can do whatever I want and then a number of months later in meditation I realized that the transformation I needed to do was just to allow flexibility in the body in the mind and it's not saying that this will happen for everyone very quickly the flexibility of my body came back when I allowed my mind to be more flexible so I wanted to ask you about this mind-body relationship how it how it works and what the mind can really transform because it seems to me it's like our superpower if we can only commit to it it's it's incredible isn't it Kim I think that um there's a lot of research into that mind-body relationship I find it absolutely fascinating because really your Consciousness is the mind and when you think it's that energy is constantly radiating to your organs and I think when we get particularly negative about things it's obviously going to fit the material form no once I was in South Africa actually and I was at a school and I was talking to the staff and I was talking about the power of the mind and the principal said I notice that when one of my teachers has a hard day in the classroom he or she comes when they're a bit down and the day or so later they'll be away with the flu or a cold and I we had such an interesting discussion because he saw that when the mood goes down you're more susceptible and that's actually science so when your immunity is down your you know when you feel unhappy your immunity goes right down and you're more susceptible so this incredibly intimate relationship there's another friend of ours who you know was an editor of one of them Britain's biggest newspapers the medical editor he wrote a book called will to be well and it opens the first thing you know how they often write a little bit of an Essence is the greatest factor in good health is happiness and he goes on to say we we spend so much time eating well that's good exercising that good sleeping enough but the real factor that builds immunity and resilience in your even physical self is well-being is happiness and spirituality provides that and I've actually seen that a bit like you're saying that when you're happy even your mindset makes your body flexible like you you might heal to yourself because you you took on the challenge of what this physical difficulty was creating for you sir Charlie you're saying something quite beautiful that we can enter into this world without an expectation and something will happen yeah and isn't it beautiful everyone to think that we don't have to control things that the ultimate transformation is an act of trust so that is my next question how do we trust [Laughter] you know I think that um what happens Kim is that we things are coming up in the future we want a result so we become control freaks you know we try to manipulate life so that I get the result that's always a miss that usually doesn't work very occasionally I think what the spiritual life does is that um this relationship with myself and then the relationship with the Divine I start to trust myself you know I really begin to sort of know who I am I become more consistent and you know I think a big thing about trust is I begin to walk my talk I can see I'm living what I believe I trust myself if I tell people one thing in my life is something absolutely different how will people trust me how will I trust myself and benevolence is a big thing too because I think you know how can I really love and trust myself if I see myself putting people down and gossiping and deep down you disapprove I've experienced this myself if you're not speaking well or doing things deep down you know that's not how you want to be and so I think that um the whole journey of trust Begins by spiritually I feel the Trust From God I begin to trust myself and then then I'm a bit more flexible because I feel secure and I know life means that I make the effort and what happens I accept this is wisdom because you cannot control outcomes there's all these karmic forces working and when you make the effort and then what happens is what happens this is very very Noble it's a noble intention to say that we can we can trust ourselves over time to do the right thing and then eventually we'll trust others yeah you know because how could we trust someone else unless we can trust ourselves to do the right thing well I I wonder what you feel Kim because I often feel when people say I don't trust them often I think maybe you don't trust yourself the first step when you say I'll never trust this person because I you know Daddy prakashmini who is the head of the Brahma Kumaris she once said to a whole group of us I trust everyone and someone said how can you do that she said I trust everybody I invest trust and she said when you invest trust people feel so that's something so special they can feel that you're investing that they want to step into that space of being trustworthy yeah so beautiful I think this is if we talk about Transformations this is one of the great Transformations isn't it to trust ourselves and and others now I wanted to quite something to you and uh it's it's an an old Indian Mantra that you would have heard in anyone who's Indian here will know this month lead me from unreal to real darkness to light immortality and peace in this life do you think this is possible in our day and age Charlie I absolutely do Kim um and really the aim of spiritual life is to step out of the darkness into my light step out of the peacelessness into my peace because that is actually Who I Really Am the darkness and the peacelessness is a contrived State through loss of self-awareness simply that I mean if we look at our world now 7.8 billion human beings I would say the majority believe there's something more than a body I read in Australia 80 of people believe there's something more than a physical body but we don't know what that soul that spirit that Atma the psyche that we're not sure what it is but when I think you get a Clarity that actually I always exist I take on a body death is nothing more than me progressing once I sort of build up a an infrastructure of Truth in my life I come into the light I come back into the light and and then when I come back into the light I will naturally spread it you know more by who I am and then people will even ask you well why are you peaceful and other things why don't you fear things that other people maybe do or feel insecure it's about feeling Superior at all in fact it's it's the opposite it's just that and I think what's happening at the moment and what a lot of people seeing the world are choosing to step back into the light and into peace it does take a bit of effort it does take a little bit of lifestyle change but it's that's what the signaling is of our time a huge signal from the world we've got to step back into a different consciousness you're really saying to us Charlie that every day in every way we have a choice this is the amazing thing about the human mind yeah we can choose to walk into the light or go into the darkness at every single juncture and one thing that I love I love about that Mantra is this Choice do I want to believe that I am mortal or Immortal yeah and I know you've shared with me Charlie you know some of your experiences about really thinking about immortality could I ask you to share that with us you know Kim mum on my journey into not just knowing and believing but trying to experience who I am I've done experiments over months what I found on the spiritual journey if you try to do too many things you never see progress but if you take on one thing you've done months where I would focus on being eternal and you know I found the whole fear of the millions of fears we all seem to have less and less power over me when I realize I always exist and as I've practiced being Immortal if I can see even like non-physical that's been absolutely astounding too because I found that when I really feel it I the question I ask is I don't just Enchanted I'm Immortal I'm Immortal I keep saying well how does it feel how does it feel to be a non-physical sea that's sitting up in the front of the brain and acting through this body and what I found that when I feel I'm non-physical it's like I feel uninfluenced by the physical world it's like you are present and contributing but detached and you're you're not influenced by all the stuff going on around you and it's such an incredible place to be and I think if you can step into a benevolent feelings in that space it's just such a powerful thing where you realize really that um this is a play it is a drama where souls are really actors I'm an immortal actor that's taken on human form and because we're forgotten it it's changed the entire culture of the planet every institution and belief system has been influenced by thinking we're mortal beings even though most cultures will say oh I believe I'm a soul or a spirit they don't experience it so hence this massive fear of death and I feel our mortality is influence every Institution the way societies are organized the way we do everything is influenced by our sense of mortality and our fear of death Charlie you're saying something incredible to me because if we even think about caring for our planet if we were sure we would be here for a time immemorial would we allow it to go to the state it's gotten into that's such a beautiful comment isn't it we would never do it because of the generations following us and if we sought this person that I might be mistreating I might see it in a hundred a thousand a hundred thousand times more would I want to treat them like that yeah it's a it's a fantastic deeply transformative thing that even though we've talked about going from Darkness to life if we could take on one massive concept it's this concept to say that if I'm really to believe that I'm a soul I will not die isn't that radical to say that I really am Eternal I will not die and on that level the greater suffering that people say everyone will experience I will not experience incredible it is and you know Kim my sort of understanding is that there was a period in our human history the gold needs the silver it's set to try to a real period of History in parrot in India where people were really in the lived in the awareness of their own immortality so death was nothing they just understood it's just like a snake sheds a skin or a it's a natural it's a natural part of human life and um and I feel that the more I'm on the spiritual journey and I explore not just believe but really explore the depth of who I am as a soul I'm Eternal Immortal non-physical I think it's my whole perception of existence sometimes I use the example it's like when I'm body conscious I'm on the ground floor my perception of life is like fight and you know react and but the more I become a soul it's like you go to the first four the second floor the third floor and your whole perception is completely different because I just I begin to see that you know you begin to see that my actions now are creating my future in the next life even and my actions that are what I'm experiencing now is the result of stuff so if I feel oppressed or I'm in a difficult situation I need to learn how to do it differently so I don't create that future for myself these are huge discussions and I think we're about to finish the episode but maybe we can have them more in the future you know Charlie I'm going to ask you for something slightly different because we're running just a little bit late could we have a transformation in silence to finish out so we're going to say goodbye to you now thank you everyone for for being with us one of our many experiences to say let's always try things slightly differently so we're just going to give you the loving goes Charlie and I before we finish okay foreign foreign43:T4e70,busted Masters masters of change [Music] hello there my name is Kim kunio and I'm the head of Music at the Australian National University and I'm here to introduce masters of change masters of change is a series of episodes that my good friend Charlie Hogg and I give to you as an offering Charlie is the director of the Brahma Kumaris in Australia and it's a pleasure to speak with you again hello Charlie hi Kim great to be back once again well we've been having a lot of fun about balance isn't it funny how you can say the word in a second and maybe in five minutes you can get the basics of it but what we're finding is it's more than a knack it's a lifetime of discipline yes it is balanced but yet if we hold it as a discipline like that maybe we've lost the game how come it's like that you know because I I think often we become we sort of you know how in life you think oh this is the balance I need you know this much time for me and family and whatever but life isn't like so prescriptive like that you just have to go with the flow and and sort of see what is required at any given moment that's what I love about balance when you you have the fundamental tools when they're there you you can just you're constantly rebalancing so to speak to fit situations and people and responses so it's a sort of you have the the tools and those tools enable you to go with the flow and apply what balance is required at the right time Charlie that's really beautiful and and app for today's episode because we're looking at a balance within a balance it's like if there's a constant desire to be more balanced because we know that's how we can self-care but yet there's two great things there's action and inaction or being and doing so I want to firstly ask you for some definitions what is being you know being is a um a spiritual state when I'm aware of who I am and on the basis of that I create an inner peace and I'm aware of my one relationship that's permanent and on the basis of that I feel belonging and connection so I sort of I'm being it's almost like before I even think of action I'm full because I've created Peace by knowing the self and I've created Love by knowing god it's like I'm spiritually full so I'm coming into action with a full State rather than doing an action to fill inside you know which is the culture of today I'm empty so I want to do an action so you give me that love or I get praised and I feel peace on the basis of the praise the problem with that is I never know I never know whether you will love me and so I'm not getting my needs fulfilled so spirituality is being in a state I fill up and then I that being colors my actions but often body Consciousness which we've been talking about a lot you know I'm into actions I do because I want to get the being or the feeling as a result or an outcome of doing an action Charlie I love that because it's like all of us we all need to recharge don't we we do you know and if we don't recharge it's like each day I'm going maybe on day one I have 100 energy but day two I might have 96 energy and suddenly three weeks later I won 70 energy because I'm not being enough is that is that how it is is it something we can be deficient in our sort of quotient of being yeah that's a great way of putting it I think Kim because um you know the more that the Paradox is isn't it the emptier you become the more you do action because you want to fill the Gap the emptiness and it's almost like the more exhausted you get and the less you're being so um you know actions are wonderful to me actions the expression of being it's like when you're being loved and then you perform an action in that state and your actions are colored with love when you're being peace and that actually makes it a quality action it's not so much the action itself it's the energy the Consciousness the spirituality behind the action which is gives it Beauty that's so nice so what you're saying is that if we just put this simple time into it the the results will be quite profound and possibly even quite quick yeah this is an amazing thing that we often think that we have a chronic problem that is unfixable and we might need lots of medicine or lots of time or six months off work or whatever it is but what you're saying is simple habits transform the self yeah they really do Kim and I think that law of sort of being in a state and then performing an action and the incredible thing is let's say you're being love and you perform an action and it's coming through you usually the the recipient of the action fulfill that love and they will bless you back with love so you almost build in a cycle of you know as they say the law of Life says if you want love give it that I very excited about what you said because the one thing I hadn't got to yet which was really in my heart was the word love because it's sort of like to me being is like growing love yeah it's like you know we're being and we have a garden we have an inner garden and just by being our capacity to love others will inevitably grow yeah I mean it's like a miracle yeah it is and it's the reverse of the culture of the world isn't it cameras and I actually remember as a child my brother my older brother he used to he'd always come home from school and he would he was a musician actually too he would lie on his bed for probably an hour and just be it was just he would just process that's the way but it used to really frustrate my mother because and we used to talk about it because the feeling is that you're when you're doing action and producing your value and if you're just being you're not of value but what we're seeing here the being is a huge value it's actually it's the value is in the being and when the value of being is there the quality of actions are much higher you know I want to go on a small dalliance because at the Anu we have a very interesting research project at the moment with a an organization called neither the National Institute of the dramatic arts and we're looking at neuroscience and creativity together and what the Neuroscience has found is exactly what we are talking about if we want to be creative if we want to solve problems we need to be more so it's very very interesting that we're talking about something that is validated in cutting-edge science that the human brain when it is allowed to be becomes more stable the hemisphere's balance and people feel better and they're able to go stronger into the World by doing something less I mean it's ironic isn't it that to really achieve in the world we need to do less well along with that research came I think is you know when they research meditation they say this sort of four brain waves beta Alpha Theta Delta Now Beta is when your mind's overactive you know when you think I've got a lot to do and you're really spinning Alpha is the sort of between waking and sleeping there's Alpha One You're a bit tired Alpha two alpha three is when you're really almost asleep theater is sleep Delta is this deep sleep and you know all the research shows that the lower your brain wave if you can get into the theater or Delta you make the best decisions and when they even say that when your mind's really overactive you're in the doing mode of doing this is you don't make good decisions you don't you're not that objective at that time and the more if you meditate then it's exactly in a way you go back into that being state you see more clearly what actions are required so but it's a beautiful dance isn't it because I find if um you know you're in a being State and out of that state of meditation the peace and love colors your actions you do an action and then those actions actually enable you to be more peaceful in your mind so karmically it's sort of you're doing actions quality actions that don't disturb you because if I get angry with someone that action really disturbs my mind and for months if sometimes my mind is really in a state of upheaval because of my behavior you know Charlie this is quite profound I think because maybe there's a a childhood version of spirituality that we all sort of learn through popular culture which is if I want to be spiritually happy I need to distance myself from the world from others because they will inevitably hurt me so I need to go and face a cave and meditate and just look at the agony of life or something like that but what you're saying is the dance is really by from being we then do an action and over time the action will become more noble more centered more loving and then that feeds us the confidence to keep being so really it's like the old yin and yang isn't it there there were three together with two sides yeah it's when you were saying that Kim I was thinking that when we look at the sort of history of spirituality you know often this I think it's been a conflict this being and doing and that's why to really If people really want to be spiritual they they cut off from mainstream Society they go into conference or up to mountains but what we're trying to do is have a the highest state of being in amongst the a complete life of action and actually I think that's really what spirituality is spirituality is you know sitting in the morning having this highest Consciousness which then colors my actions throughout the day and so I can I think most people love their work they love their family but it gets to them sometime and so we bring together your spiritual life and your other life it you have a it merges rather than feeling well if I want to be a spirit I've got to leave that no you actually just change your mindset and you take it into your daily responsibilities it seems to me also that being is like our insurance policy to not get seduced by the glamor of life you know by our stage or our state because it can be really exciting when someone says you know you're so and so or his 500 or whatever it happens that makes us feel really excited but that will pass so quickly if we're not careful yeah so really what you're saying to us is that being is this constant investment in our future you know that we are you've said it so many times in our conversations that the future is made from our actions right now yeah it's a profound teaching everyone that Charlie's given us yeah so can you give it again well Kim I often feel that being giving time to your soul your spirituality your relationship God is Blue Chip investment in the future because you know in a recent episode Kim and I were talking a little bit about death and that we accumulate all this stuff in life we own so much stuff and in a second that goes but what does go with me is my actions I carry forward the quality of my karma my actions and so the real investment in life is good actions and you know we have a mutual friend here Kim and I um Roger Cole and Roger is a um a person who palliative care physician deals with people when they're dying and I've often heard him say when people are dying there's two things on their mind what sort of person was I like a self-assessment and how did I treat others and as Roger says to people no one's ever said God damn I wish I'd worked harder you know like we we push ourselves we rush we run ultimately the account I'm left with at the point of death when I really assess my life as who was I what did I live according to my truth and how did I treat other people that's like the self-assessment that we're going to carry forward which if I'm alive and I'm aware constantly you know am I living according to what I believe is right and am I treating other people according to that that's a good measure of sort of being in a good State of Consciousness you know Charlie when you were saying that I was also thinking about that you know magnificent research really started in the 70s about near-death experiences yeah and when people have that experience it's like the world slows down to a crawling pace and they're given time it's like a gift from God to really survey their whole life yeah so in two seconds someone you know people have spoken about the fact that they get to re-experience the Highlight package of their entire life at the end in order to make sense of it so if that is the case surely we need to be investing in that quality as Charlie said quality of thoughts because the actions no matter how hard we try unless we stop to look after ourselves we will get it wrong sadly is that true Charlie it is okay remember when you said that um and I think you said yesterday that recently that sort of um spirituality is like time out isn't it to really give time to me and just refine that um place where I'm in the awareness of what's important I often I ask myself that question you know because often our prioritize our priorities that you know all skewed because of my lack of self-respect and the need to accumulate but I feel one of the things of spirituality when you come back to the essence you can see what's important what should I be giving time and energy towards and it's clear it's absolutely clear you answer your own questions I mean I find that a lot when you meditate and you're in that really sweet space you know you just are clear what I need to do what I need to change how I need to respond yes Charlie and sometimes the biggest problems slowly dissolve away don't they they do it's like the the devoted love we have for God can slowly chip away at this mountain it's like an edifice of hatred or stubbornness or anger or resentment and slowly it chips away and at first we see nothing and then we turn around and it's gone yeah I've heard this story from people whose lives have been transformed so profoundly through simple meditation I'm sure you have Charlie too yeah numerous times and one of the things I really love in my life is that when people really start a lot of people love these ideas but we sort of as like a hobby but when I start to practice some really apply them on a daily basis their whole face changes and you know how they see the faces the index of the mind it's almost like I just sit up here in the cockpit and this face will mold to my my Consciousness basically and I've I've seen some really hurt and sad looking faces they just begin to morph into these incredibly calm that is to me one of the most beautiful things and I've seen some faces change dramatically as the soul starts the city and begin to realize actually I'm an eternal Soul I'm not a temporary body you know that sound and we can see that in five seconds but that's is such a deep truth which transforms everything happening inside of me I couldn't agree more and even though we can say it in five seconds we could say 50 times yeah because it's like we have to keep teaching ourselves this self-evident truth that everything can be okay if we invest the time and we make a grand effort Charlie's saying is that the transition from from Hobby spirituality to a lifetime of spirituality it doesn't happen by just sort of rolling out of bed one day it happens by consciously getting up every day yeah and so we have to actually bring a seed of it's compassion for ourselves isn't it that funds it you know we know we'll be happier but we have to say to ourselves just as we would make an effort to get to work on time we have to make an effort to care for ourselves because when you were talking a while ago I had a Flash and it was a science flesh it's the laws of thermodynamics for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction so if we are not being careful of the laws of the universe the physical laws the spiritual laws of the universe we are working at our own Peril aren't we we are we are and really I think that um you know you know that thing where you you begin to meditate you have some good experiences and and you know you fluctuate a bit so you think I should I must you know so that's not coming from the heart what I feel the way is that when you attain you want to it's like you want to wake up sometimes when I go to sleep at night I just hold the thought I'm going to wake up and sit with my lover so to speak and you know you when you wake up that's that one thought the whole feeling of just rather than the mind going what do I do today or this might happen yesterday this happened connect in that direction and it's like it's you even look forward to waking up and and sitting in silence in that way you know when you were just saying before came about um you know this whole process I was thinking that it's easy to know this stuff you were talking about practicing rather than just believing it's easy to believe but the effort is it transforming it into an experience but when you experience you Attain it just becomes a natural thing I just feel it's just so natural to wake up and um meditated it's just I don't even think twice I've been doing it for so long but it fuels it's the foundation that's you sow the seeds in your mind of quality actions throughout the day now in a minute it sounds my favorite time of all the episodes I have to confess that it's great to talk about meditation but we can meditate from the talking is then not so important even though you give beautiful commentaries but I just wanted to say to all of us that it's okay if you haven't been meditating and if you go oh I did it and I stopped better to do two days have a break and do another two days then say I'm not good enough I didn't do it for that month then I shouldn't meditate at all it's all or nothing so because that's just an inbuilt especially from Charlie who I've seen teach for so many years he's so encouraging you know like one bit is better than no bits three bits is better than two bits ten is better than nine so please dear friends don't ever feel that we have to be perfect straight away never ever give up that's great Kim lovely so let us finish our discussion with some reflective thoughts [Music] so wherever you're sitting just move away from distractions or devices and [Music] reflect on these thoughts that are being offered time I meditate I'm producing the highest quality of thoughts thoughts are my most precious belongings and each time I create these high quality thoughts a sustained me internally [Music] but they are also the seeds of actions the power or effect of an action is the Consciousness it's done in in a spiritual person designs a life for I wake in the morning I meditate I create this high quality of thinking and then throughout the day my actions spring out of these thoughts [Music] each action comes from an elevated seed of love for God self-awareness internal peace and when I perform these elevated actions they bring me power they bring me Inner Strength so meditation is really the process takes me into elevated thinking which becomes the foundation of elevated actions and then elevated actions are recorded back in the soul this elevated Karma gives me strength when I'm performing actions according to my truth I feel powerful [Music] so meditation is for life meditation is for action sow the seeds of elevated thoughts and those elevated thoughts of Joy Purity benevolence [Music] will color all my actions and my behavior throughout the day oh dear Charlie what a beautiful commentary we've had a very interesting discussion today I think and we hope all of you who are watching and listening have received some of the blessing because being is the essence for us we can sit in this Essence that's what Charlie has said all of us from today on can be more and from being more our actions can be more conscious more caring more loving and they can then Inspire more being so rather than one becoming less over time they will grow together and it's like a beautiful dance that Charlie has told us we can enable this doing and non-doing being and doing to come together in a sacred beautiful loving life it's our wish that each of you can do this more in your life that you can be and do and help yourself in others so to all of you all our love omashanti thank you Charlie thanks again Kim goodbye thank you foreign44:T8c67,[Music] good morning everyone lovely to see you out there and we're very lucky this morning very fortunate to have charlie with us and charlie is the national coordinator on australia and he's someone who we all love very much and he inspires us and this particular program this morning is titled a future without fear something that we all want very very much thanks charlie so thank you so much sally and it's very lovely to be up in the blue mountains um i live in sydney and i just came up yesterday and it's a perfect day here today in such a lovely atmosphere and as sally mentioned today i'm just going to share a few of my thoughts about the temperature of the world at the moment and i think all of us can feel that the the minds of humanity the temperature of the mind of humanity seems to be rising with unfortunately feelings of anxiety and fear about what's happening in our world and what our future will be and last week someone said to me you know shared a thought and as you know we're at a time everyone's got an opinion about what's happening in our world at the moment and sometimes i think a lot of us feel overwhelmed by all the opinions and beliefs that people have but this person said to me that the physical virus is one thing which is of a big challenge to all of us but the mental virus of fear seems to be you know growing the whole thing in our minds and our world and i think a huge part of the spiritual journey is learning about fear observing my own inner fears and beginning to work with them so that i don't feel controlled by my fears but i really start to let my fears go and really i often feel that's freedom in life when i can free myself from the confines of my own fears and some say that there's two prime emotions in life there are love and fear all of us know how absolutely paralyzing fear can be but we also know how completely life-changing love can be and some say even that love is letting go fear many years ago i remember a friend of mine in melbourne his mum i knew her quite well her name was lynn and lynn was very lovely person very very lovely person but she would describe herself as quite a fearful nervous anxious sort of person and she contracted cancer and that just increased her whole sense of worry fear anxiety and one day my friend rang me and said mama's been told that the cancer is terminal and she's not going to survive so would you go and see her so i went to see her in a hospital in melbourne and the whole thing is sort of so clearly recorded in the video of the intellect you know how the intellect has this incredible database of videos of life because i went about dusk and i walked down this long hallway in the hospital and when i came to her room it was absolutely dark in her room and it was so quiet you know sometimes when there's such a silence you feel you don't even want to break it so i i tippy-toed in just so carefully and i sat down i was so quiet and i just sat there in this dark and i could just see her silhouette in the bed and after a few minutes a voice came from the bed and she said charlie i love you and quite honestly that was totally uncharacteristic of this lady and she has sort of herself said about herself that once she knew she wasn't going to survive she thought i've got nothing to lose i may as well be the person i want to be and express my love and that actually had quite a huge impact on me how often in life we just live within my fears i'm afraid of what people think i'm afraid of people's criticism i'm afraid that if i'm a bit vulnerable about what's going on what people think we're always this lady when she decided that oh i've got nothing to lose let me just be the person i want to be and i think it's a it was a great learning for me and i often i really being the person i want to be or am i living within the confines of all my own fears because you know to me the most elevated experience of life is the experience of love and often they say the pinnacle of spirituality is the experience of divine love and pure love and always i find when i meditate and i feel love i just observe my inner world i feel so relaxed so content so easy there's absolutely no doubt my attitude to other people transforms i feel much more kinder and forgiving and understanding but when fear grips the mind the millisecond fear grips the mind the heart begins to palpitate the stomach churns adrenaline caught you know curses through the system and just as love seems to be the seed of so much positive emotion fear is the seed of so much negative emotion and we feel stress we feel anxious we feel tense and the mind begins to imagine you know the paranoia kicks in and the mind seems to think all these wild thoughts about possible outcomes and scenarios and so we can't relax we can't concentrate we can't sleep that's the power of fear when we come under its influence and i once read some really interesting research because we know from our life experience that our emotional state affects the material form and it seems absolutely obvious that you know how i feel mentally and emotionally it translates into my physical body and some research says that there's a huge connection between fear and heart and if i was to say now you know i'm sitting in this room there's a few others in this room too there's a fire in this room what's the first thing that would happen boom boom your heart starts to go if every day i wake up in the morning and i have fear of something happening i have fear of a personality i have fear of an authority figure in my life my boss at work i have fear that something i've been a little bit dishonest about people will find out that fear keeps putting pressure on my heart and the heart is just a little pump and so at some point the heart will break down and this is why really spirituality not only uplifts my spirit it's actually an investment in physical well-being too the more i keep my mind in a peaceful state that energy translates to my physical organs but when fear is ruling in my mind constantly and just with the virus at the moment and all the conversations oh you know the economy will crash we won't have jobs we won't have money all the scenarios building building this atmosphere of fear we absorb what does it do puts pressure on my heart and that has its own consequences but the reality is we do live in a world of fear unfortunately and sometimes i think you know at night time we all watch the news on television turn on the news and it's just one story after the other isn't it and we i often think that window in the corner of my room and it takes me to every little corner of our planet and we watch people suffering and people in fear so many parts of our world are not safe homes are safe nowhere is safe and now with this virus there's sort of this atmosphere of fear and tension around the world but they're like that's like the big picture and most of us specialize in our own unique forms of fear and one of the things which you know i found when i first started to teach meditation i felt a little bit nervous fearful of speaking in front of audiences and i can remember actually talking asking somebody and i found out that one of the main fears of most people is talking in front of others because we feel judged you know some actors they can perform in front of thousands but if they have to be themselves they find it very very difficult and even i remember talking a woman she was on a retreat that we were conducting very lovely person and she told me she has a big fear of being rejected and every time she gets close to someone she's a little bit scared that that person may reject them or not like them or what you know whatever it is and actually that is probably one of the most common fears of most of us that we fear that others won't like me or love me or won't give me that sense of belonging even i remember another friend of mine was in europe an australian actually was a concert pianist brilliant pianist and he told me that the best piano players in the world no one knows because when they get in front of a big audience their fingers clam up and they they get the fear because classical music almost everyone knows every note you know they know every note and so they're listening one mistake people will know and i think no matter who we are we have our own set of fears but on the spiritual journey we start to go deep deep deep what are the seeds where do they come from that set create fears in my life and i really want to talk about three in particular and the first one i would call like physical fears which is the fear of loss of health illness or even old age a loss of wealth possessions material things and at the heart of physical fears is the fear of loss and the law says the spiritual law whatever i attach my heart to whether it's a person whether it's a thing whether it's a responsibility the more i attach my heart the law says the more i build fear of losing that thing so as i identify with that thing and i hold on to it they i build fear into my own life and probably as they say the main fear for most of us is the fear of losing my body the fear of death but it's not actually only that it's like when you look at the way we live our lives today we're born we're sort of given an identity from childhood you're a male and you're a female and this is your family and this is your country and you know you're building up this whole sense of identity and during my life you know i developed this whole sense of who i am and so the idea of death is not just of leaving this but it's leaving my honor my prestige my successes you know my image i've created the respect in the community a whole lot of things which have fed me with certain needs in my life and i think to me one of the most beautiful things of spirituality is that it takes me so deep to understand really what is important and i would say that the first step in beginning to deal with fear is to understand there's nothing but change going on they say in life the only permanent thing that happens is change and once i was in at the brahma kumaris in london and they did a program and one of the speakers was john cleese who's a most of you would know british comedian who was in monty python that's what he's famous for and he's dabbled in buddhism and he was talking about impermanence and he came out and um the audience was not sure how to respond because you know when you see john cleese you laugh everyone started to laugh but he was being so serious it was quite funny and he was he gave the analogy that life is like a train journey life is the train and when you stop at a station people hop on the train people hop off you go to the next station people upon people hop up eventually you hop off and it's like life means that people come into your life people go out of your life wealth comes into your life wealth goes out of your life responsibilities come in they go actually you know you can enjoy it and love it but when i hold on and i say mine i instantly build fear in my life and this is why they say ultimately wisdom is to love everything enjoy everything engage with life but don't attach your heart and so most of us say well sounds great but it's almost impossible but actually spirituality says to understand what is permanent in all this change what is constant in all this change and the constant is the permanent self in all this change everything that happens what is always there is the permanent self the consciousness and this is why the first step in spirituality to deal with fear is to understand there's nothing but change but the second step is to understand and experience the eternal self and actually i've been thinking recently that you know we there's a lot of stress in the world in the 1980s they the time magazine did this whole issue on stress and you know there's many layers of stress change and that but you know the seed for me is when i base my life on falsehood if the fundamental of my life is false and the falsehood which is creating so much stress and fear is that i am a temporary body when i buy into that falsehood that the reality of life is that i am a temporary body it produces two personalities that just fill my head with so much fear and the first first personality is my ego and when my ego is ruling in my inner system i have you know so much fear that people see through my facade that i'm not as good as i look i'm not as confident as i look i have self-doubt i have fear that i can't live up to others expectations of me you know these sorts of things so when i think i'm a temporary body the more i identify with this temporary identity on the one hand it builds ego and that ego fills me with fear there's a deep relationship between ego and fear the more ego i have the more fear i have of you know people really seen through the facade or the image that i want to convey to other people but the second personality is the ego of inferiority it's my lack of self-respect and this is the personality that fears not being loved fears rejection fears the future fears what will happen to me when i get old fear fear fear fear or there's just so much fear and because most of us are brought up with the absolute assumption that you're a temporary body our heads are full of so many fears we have so many fears and this is why spirituality says that now i have to know experience and love the permanent self and the whole journey of spirituality and just this morning and all our centers we have classes and i was thinking that the education of spirituality is so different because the education in the world is information we know so much information but the education of spirituality is to take just one idea and start to research it in the laboratory of your mind who am i i am the eternal soul and the soul we can never stop learning about it or hearing about it because the soul lives around the pituitary gland as we understand the soul enters the body when the quickening happens in the womb the soul has no label before that no sex no age no country no nationality no religion no education zero it's just a soul a consciousness but it sits on the forehead of you know my temporary self and then it starts to identify with all the temporary labels the more i identify the more i fear losing them and actually the whole first step of spirituality is coming home to a place in myself where i feel absolutely comfortable and settled with who i am that i am an eternal soul i've lived before this body i'll live after this body and death is nothing more than the driver stepping out of the car and getting a new model once again and you know really i think that one of the the seed of so much fear in this world is death and i i do feel that because of what we're seeing at the moment is this wave of discomfort in all of us because we've been brought up with this idea that of what death is death is final death is the end because we become dependent on so many people and things in this life but actually when we start to experience myself as a soul we understand that death is just change death is nothing more than change and as i begin to experience that change then i start to really come to terms and it takes time there's absolutely no doubt my own experience is that each time i meditate i begin to let go all the labels of this temporary body and establish myself and as i've practiced and train myself i start to live more as a soul you start to see really what death is in reality and i think to free myself as sometimes people call it the demons of death and understand it's just change it's like a snake shedding a skin you know we will continue and the soul will take its story to its next life and sometimes i think you know when you look at the journey of life as we do it today i'm born i say this is my mom this is my dad these are my brothers my sisters this is my town this is my country this is my profession this is my partner this is my children you think this whole identity in one second we leave it as we understand we're reborn once again and then what do we do we're born again this is my mom this is my dad these are my brothers these and i said i'd adopt a whole new identity of my body and this is really at this very foundation of meditation practice it's not imagination it's actually going deep into the experience of who i am and you start to see clearly that i am the permanent self the permanent soul so the first set of fears are physical fears the second said i would call psychological fears and these are sort of mental fears of failure or change emotional fears of you know in terms of relationships but there's something in psychology they call phobias and phobias if you google phobias you know there's about 400 known phobias and in psychology they used to call them irrational fears irrational but fears they're not irrational at all and all these are associated with past experiences in my life so i'd say the first step in dealing with fears to understand there's no nothing but change the second step is to experience who i really am as a soul the third step is to understand really what the soul is and how the soul stores memory because often in my memory that fear is stored and it's like a shadow that comes over my life when a situation comes in front of you and when we go deep into the soul the soul has three aspects the mind which collects the data of life through what i see what i hear the intellect assesses the data that part of you constantly at every millisecond sorting out the data and how do i respond once the intellect makes a decision you do an action you say something you do something every action is recorded in my subconscious the amazing thing about all of us we may be sitting at home watching this at the moment each one of us carries a perfect record of our past in our subconscious and as we have become body conscious things have happened that have recorded fear in my memory track and so once i've recorded fear when a situation similar comes in front of me instantly i feel fearful or something happened the present makes me feel anxious anxiety is fear of the future and so we begin to see that if you know if as a child i'm bitten by a dog then every time i see a dog even one this big i think you know i'm fearful if as a child i didn't really feel truly loved in my family in almost every relationship i struggle with that sense of acceptance or belonging or whatever it may be and so the past is overlaying and creating the present so we have all these phobias and you know there's claustrophobia which is like a fear of confined space aviophobia is the fear of flying agrophobia is the fear of going out you'd you'd be amazed and i even remember here in the blue mountains when we when we started we had an electrician who came to do some work and it was down below and i think most of you watching know how beautiful this place is and he was looking at the stone cottage and the waterfall down there and he said this place is so beautiful so beautiful i wouldn't want to live here he said like and i said whoa that's weird why and he said spiders he said i'm an arachnophobia it took me a while to learn that word actually i'm an arachnophobiac and so we all have our fears but actually all these phobias are directly connected with the past they're directly connected with the past and you know sometimes we have not just physical fears like emotional fear sometimes some of us feel really afraid to express an opinion because or even to open my mouth in front of other people because i've lived in societies maybe as a woman where opinions aren't wanted or whatever and so my past overlays and creates fear in the present and often my experience in the present is triggered by the past so i start to think you know i become anxious about things happening in the future you know once i was in south africa and i was in a lovely place called port elizabeth and i was doing a talk and one man asked at the end you know how much fear is real and how much is imagined and my answer was i wouldn't have a clue but i said i i think about 90 would be imagined he said i googled it and you know everything all truth lies on google these days um and he said some research says 93 of fear is imagined fears anxiety so each time this discomfort this unpleasant feeling this anxiety in my mind about what might happen that big question it's a creation of my own inner world and this is why we can really begin to deal with that when we start to meditate because three things happen when we meditate the first is that we really learn to take the sacred space of my mind into such a incredibly sweet feeling it's not even peace it's just this incredible feeling of well-being and lightness inside such a sweet feeling but secondly the meditation begins to clear the effect of the past story so the more i start to reconnect with my permanent self it starts to reconnect with that in my subconscious and so all the habits based on the fear of loss of my temporary self and my temporary identity has less and less power over me so just by knowing and experiencing who i am i start to clear the habitual patterns in my subconscious but even thirdly i do actions because thoughts are the seeds of actions when i meditate in my meditation my thoughts peaceful benevolent they become the seeds of my behavior meditation is the greatest investment in a positive future i would say and so dealing with fear nothing but change going on secondly experiencing my true self thirdly understanding my subconscious and i have habits from the past like shadows of fear over the present and as i begin to meditate i clear them but even fourthly i would say um really beginning to understand that an experience that i am a soul but everyone else is too because you know one of the great fears is the fear of authority and authority figures a lot of people have so many issues around being told what to do being forced to do things and there can be so many fears like that and all fear of expressing my opinion as i would say but actually when i begin to see beyond the role of the body it's almost like when i realize i'm a soul i'm like an actor each actor is wearing the costume sometimes some actors are bosses some actors are leaders some actors are there some actors that but actually when i consider myself a soul and see everyone else is a soul too i lose that fear and sometimes i think that when i'm body conscious i my vision i i see somebody i see their body their set of labels and i feel superior or i feel inferior mostly inferior it's not conscious we don't consciously think that but i think i get impressed and i think all this person and maybe i i look up to them or i feel superior soul consciousness is the vision of equality we're actually a human family male female old young culture all of that is all based on limited identity and the soul when i really become soul conscious i think people feel that when you meet them you just don't meet their set of labels but you actually connect with who they really are and i would say then the third set of fears is perhaps if i could call them maybe spiritual fears if i could say that the fear of the unknown even the fear of god a lot of people religious people have the fear of god because of their background the fear of my own dishonesty i've been dishonest in the past that may come in front of me the fear of my own mistakes and these sorts of things can be big fears in the minds create a lot of guilt shame and these sorts of things and this is why when i begin to understand the universal law of truth the universal law of truth says that for every action there is a reaction for every cause there is an original effect so to speak there's an effect as i do so i reap all of that sort of stuff and it's like there's these universal laws and if i contravene universal laws and truth i will suffer for it and that's why really a wise person understands that you know i have to be honest with myself honest with god and honest with others because i once remember i was in a country in one part of the world and this country is described and i never like these labels but it will make help you understand as a third world country not so developed and i was doing a program for some people who work for the government and there was a three-day retreat and at the end one of the participants spoke to me and he said he wanted to speak privately and he said i've got so much fear in my life i'm terrified he said and i said why and he said well i wanted to send my children to europe for an education because i wanted them to have a good education my wage didn't give me enough so i took bribes all my working life and he said in his own words he said i my children are well settled they have a good life but i've ruined my own life he in his own words he said i'm terrified that people will find out what i've done and he said every day i live in fear and so sometimes we ourselves do actions that create fear in my life because of my desires my greed or whatever i step outside my truth i break my own principles and then i suffer for it and and this is why i think that when we go deep into spirituality we realize if we always live by my fundamental truths and principles i can remain feel comfortable inside i can sleep peacefully etc and so i would say even honesty frees me from fear and to be honest with myself is not a small thing i feel that over time we've got so many inbuilt self-deception there's so much self-deception that we've built inside our head that we don't even realize sometimes when we're not being honest with myself we have blind spots and a part of spirituality too is actually learning if i keep getting feedback from people about behavior and things like that and i don't listen because none of us like to be criticized but when i really listen i can learn i'm all of us have weakness it's like we're all in a spiritual university learning to bring change within myself and so the spiritual recipe i would say to do with fear is first to have a loving relationship with myself as a soul and the effect of this is to heal the relationship with the self really the way i'm seeing the world now the chaos on our planet there's one simple reason there is chaos in the first relationship in life of the majority of humanity we don't know who we are the way we treat ourselves is so negative if i can say or really unpleasant and so if i treat myself in that way that's how i treat everything around me and as i begin to have this relationship with myself it's permanent it's no matter what changes around me and life means so much change there was one british historian who said there's been more change in the last 50 years than the whole of history put together so it's going to change it's going to change even more if i have a secure relationship i know who i am i'm a soul know my qualities i even know the weaknesses i have to change but it's it's a stable relationship this is the first step in meditation but the second step in meditation is to really know and experience that relationship with god and i i know that when we you know we talk about god there's so many different responses because you know sometimes a lot of us have had a religious background and a lot of us feel a lot of love for god but some of us have a lot of resistance as soon as we hear that word a sort of resistance comes up in us because i think you know often we think of religion more than god and religion has told us god will punish you god will do this god or that so we have this image in our head and that's something i don't want to know about and yet i would say one of the main ways to deal with fear is to know and experience myself and have this permanent relationship with god so many of our fears around our relationships and loss of relationship etc and when i really explore god as the soul in this beautiful image behind me at the moment i'm not sure the color on the screen is quite as beautiful as the color here so beautiful and it's just the form the eternal form of the divine and sometimes you know we sort of think oh yeah it's just like a crutch it's a belief just to make me feel a bit better about all the challenges of life no it's an absolutely real relationship as real as you have with someone you can see with your eyes but this relationship you can't see with your physical eyes and so it's a subtle connection a subtle relationship but absolutely real and when we meditate we let go the consciousness of the body all the labels become the seed and through the eye of the mind i touch god with my thoughts and it's like i touch my lover and that i begin to see that when i know who i am and experience that and know god no matter how much the cyclone of this world happens i remain in the calm center of the cyclone you know they say cyclones can be so destructive you know they destroy and yet the center of it is often calm i can stay in this calm center because i understand that there's nothing but change and the more i attach my heart the law says to anything or anyone temporary i will suffer i will build fear into my life so now my heart is connected to who i am that's permanent and who god is that's permanent and really when i've experimented over the years i feel that when that's the platform of my life the fear of change can really lessen and lesson and lesson and then the third love is to love others as souls too and i really enjoy this that um you know love their company enjoy them but no relationship is permanent no relationship is permanent so the more i build this sort of dependence on people and it's not easy i understand because we feel vulnerable we feel weak and so i if i have someone to lean on or hold on to it makes me feel secure and yet it's that very thing that starts to make me more and more insecure paradoxically spirituality says i believe yes you can't really how we say conquer attachment if i can use that language you can only replace it and as you develop this powerful connection with yourself and god that which is permanent then i can enjoy everything really enjoy it but i don't attach my heart to it so i free myself from so much fear and anxiety and i really do feel that at this time you know this time where our world is changing so dramatically and many of us feel it's never going to be the same as it was even a few months ago and we always feel all the good old days we want everything to go back to the good old days i don't think the good old days are going to be there so we have to equip myself i have to have a new approach to life and i feel so much of what's happening out there saying that i have to become a more self-contained system i can't rely on all these things around me because they're going to change too quickly and if i really attach my heart to so many changeable things i will be in constant upheaval yes of course it takes time and yes of course it takes patience and practice but to really give time to learning properly how to meditate and really have a spiritual practice there's no better time because we have time at the moment a lot of us have time to educate myself how to meditate and this is really what you know spirituality is so you know i wouldn't say perhaps a future without fear but maybe a future with less fear is even a better future and i just want to finish on one thing that um the head of the brahma kumaris as a lady was a lady called daddy janky and she um i've known her 45 years and you know i remember she said when she was a young girl she grew up in what is now pakistan sindh it used to be india she said she was such a frightened timid thing and i traveled with her in many parts of the world and spent a lot of time and i can honestly say i really saw a fearless human being i couldn't see any fear in her of any situation it's like she really conquered fear and just a few weeks ago she died and i heard her so many times say i'm ready i'm totally ready to die she was 104 and i she was just and when you step out of the cage of fear you can really love life you know the happiness she had but when i live within my fears even if i have things i'm always fearful of what might happen to them or what might happen and maybe we say well that's what life is like now it is because we've built my life on a false premise that i'm a temporary being and everything around me is temporary but i hope that it'll become permanent when it will never become permanent and so spirituality takes us really deep into truth and that's why i think you know we really love it so maybe we can finish with a few minutes of meditation and if you'd like to just join us for a few moments of meditation i will speak a few thoughts so just let me sit quietly and begin to reflect [Music] that wherever i attach my heart i build fear into my life if i attach my heart to ideas or beliefs [Music] if i attach my heart to a job or a responsibility in life if i attach my heart to other people i love them but i build so much fear of loss or change and change is inevitable even if i attach my heart to my own temporary body my bodily image spirituality is to love life love people enjoy everything but understand it's temporary and so spirituality says to lay the foundation of permanence and so first i need to know and experience who i am so many times we return to this the meditation is constantly going deeper and deeper into the truth that i am the soul the soul always exists i the soul sit [Music] on my throne in the front of the brain in the center of the forehead although i wear my temporary body i have not these labels not even a male or female [Music] i am a soul and as i move into this permanent awareness of who i am i start to move beyond the fear [Music] of loss [Music] and i experience a quality of peace a peace that no change can penetrate [Music] i am [Music] a peaceful soul [Music] just feel it just feel so light so lightly sitting in your forehead and in this state [Music] remember the supreme turn your mind from all other destinations and remember the one relationship that's permanent our whole life experience is just the relationships with my family and friends but they're temporary this is a relationship which spans life and death and it's absolutely real just allow the thread of your intellect to touch the supreme a soul like me but a pure soul a lovable soul a soul that has absolutely no fear because that soul retains truth [Music] and allow yourself to be loved [Music] just feel a purity of love a purity of connection a purity of belonging the more this relationship strengthens i relax [Music] no matter how much this world changes this can never change because this relationship spans time [Music] and even life and death [Music] life is giving me this amazing opportunity to learn who i am we have time and as our world seems to be going through a huge transition it's a message to all of us that the way we've lived [Music] has been based on body consciousness which is false falsehood and now i have to re-educate myself to become self-conscious [Music] the more i live in this state of self-awareness the less fear i experience and this is true freedom [Music] [Music] don't feel like speaking after that such a beautiful peaceful meditation thank you charlie and tomorrow charlie's going to speak on the topic of the wisdom of love so we'll go from the fear to the love the wisdom of love and from now on we're going to put on some quiet music and just have the picture there for a quarter of an hour before we start so a quarter to 10 anyone who wants can come and just sit in your home quietly and have some meditation and we'll start at 10 o'clock so we look forward to seeing you tomorrow and have a beautiful day thank you thank you charlie thank you sally45:Tb631,Good morning. Good morning to everyone, everyone here and everyone watching at home, listening. And it's our great pleasure to have Charlie Hogg here. Charlie's the director of the Brahma Kumaris in Australia and we're very, very fortunate to have him here and a wonderful topic, which is overcoming negative emotions. So it's something we all have to deal with and we couldn't have a better person to help us to know how to cope with these negative emotions and how to let them go. So we're all very interested, Charlie, to hear your suggestions and your experience. So thank you so much. Thank you so much, Sally. It's always so lovely to be here in Leura, in the Blue Mountains and um there's also a few of us in the room here, which is lovely. Sometimes it's just an empty room when we do the the webinars. And I think as Sally was saying that the last year has been an incredibly challenging year for virtually everybody. And I think for everybody a lot of um unfinished business, can we call them negative emotions have emerged. Sometimes they sort of bubble up and sometimes they come with incredible force. And I've often been amazed with all our education, all our life experience, we often really have no strategies as to how to sort of manage these powerful feelings that emerge inside of us. And when we look at our history, there seems to be three main things which we have in our history. One is religion, the second is psychology, and the third is spirituality. And you know, I when I left school, I wandered around the world for some years, and I lived in religious communities, all types of religious communities, which was a wonderful experience, and I learned to love all the religions daily. But I also found that when negative emotions emerge, there wasn't really a strategy except to suppress them and push them down. And as a result, I think that many of us when our powerful emotions, our powerful feelings come, our subconscious or conscious strategy is just to push them down because they don't look nice. And that's why I think about 150 years ago or longer, psychology was born really with the aim to be more honest about the dark side of the self. We all have that dark side. It's a part, it's the shadow in the human spirit. And psychology began to acknowledge that all of us do have negative emotions. And as wonderful as that was to be more open about it, to really discover why I feel the way I do, often I think what happens with psychology, we we begin to indulge in so much self-analysis as to why I am the the way I am. So, at least I begin to know why these emotions are there and the origins of them, but often not much power to really transform them or overcome them. And that's where I think spirituality has a wonderful part because I think the role of spirituality is also to really acknowledge my negative emotions, that they are there, but I don't put so much energy into this sort of constant analysis of them, but I put energy into really transforming them. And many years ago, I used to teach meditation at Long Bay Jail, which is Sydney's main jail. And once I was invited to run a meditation course in a special prison. They'd set up a special prison for um a small group of prisoners with the aim to try to reform their behavior. And so, if they were good prisoners, they got points, and if they broke the rules, they lost their points. And if they lost quite a few points, then they were sent back into the main prison once again. And so, it was really in their interest to, you know, be good because they got privileges like television and things like this. So, when I went along there, there was only 15 prisoners in this prison. And all 15 came for meditation. I thought, isn't that wonderful? They're all interested in meditation, and then I found out they got points for coming. so, The main reason they were there was just to collect their points. But what I remember was one prisoner we were talking very openly. And one prisoner shared his heart about his anger, about his temper. And he was a big man, a huge man, and a very articulate man, really intelligent. And he said, "I get so angry I completely lose control of myself, and I killed somebody." And then he said, "I came to jail, and the same thing happened, and I killed a water." He was quite famous in the New South Wales prison system. But he was just expressing how sometimes emotion is so powerful he loses complete control of his inner faculties. And perhaps our emotions aren't that strong, but we all know the power of emotion and how it's instant. It instantly seems to bulldoze the intellect, you know, which is the faculty of reason. And the emotion takes over, and we say things, we do things which we later you know, wish we hadn't done. And so I think we all experience these powerful feelings, as Sally was saying, but some emotions are very visible. They're the what I call the explosive style of emotion, anger, aggression, etc. But most are invisible. Fear, hurt, depression, grief, guilt, all these sort of feelings are invisible, but I would say equally powerful or even more powerful than the visible emotions. And probably the sort of the pinnacle emotion that all of us experience in many different ways is anger. And spiritually they say anger is on three levels. You have the the overt anger, which is, you know, speaking or even getting physically violent, speaking negatively. Then there's the emotional anger, which is the irritation, the annoyance, the frustration. I think we all know those feelings. But then there's that silent anger, where I just avoid somebody. Actually giving someone the silent treatment, avoiding somebody is actually I would say a form of anger, also. And so anger is an incredibly a powerful emotion. And when we start to explore these negative emotions, we realize they have an amazing effect on all parts of my life. A negative effect. You know, there's a lot of research into the emotion of anger. And when we get angry, adrenaline and cortisol just go right through my system instantly. And when that begins to happen, it can, you know, create increased blood sugar, blood pressure, which hardens my arteries. So, anger, when I'm regularly angry, it can actually create heart disease. This is actual research. There's also research that says that when we regularly get angry, it kills cells. There's cell atrophy in the brain, and it creates memory loss. And I even remember one of my friends in the UK telling me that there's been some research that when we remove anger in the form of a grudge, it can relieve back pain. That's incredible, isn't it? So, our emotions really are deeply connected to, you know, even our physiology and our physical health. So, that's one thing, but I would say even another aspect of this, too, is my relationships. And we all know the effect of relationships, and the founder of the Brahma Kumaris was Brahma Baba. And he founded the Brahma Kumaris in what is now Pakistan in the 1930s. And he was a person just so deeply on the spiritual journey. And he would often say that when you get angry, you lose control in 1 second, but it will affect your life for a minimum of 6 months. Because what happens if, for instance, if I just had a tantrum now on this webinar, if I threw a tantrum, I can guarantee the one thing you'd remember about this webinar was my tantrum. And it's like we have a little digital camera here in the third eye. Go click, click, click, click, and it's stored on the hard disk. And so, every time I would come in front of you, for a long time you're thinking, is he going to get angry? So, like loss of control for a few seconds, people record it in their memory. You have to behave peacefully a hundred times at least to wipe that from their memory. And so, we all know actually how devastating anger can be in relationships, and um I think every human being can share some powerful experiences of that. But mostly it's effects me. And when we get angry with somebody, you know, when I see someone really, really angry, you know, sometimes I think it's scary. It's scary, isn't it? Cuz the face and the eyes, it's really sort of quite frightening on one level, but in one way I feel they're just saying, "Help me. Help me. I've lost control of my inner world and my emotions. The only way I can express this absolute loss of inner power is this venting, this incredible frustration." And the real effect of anger on the self is deep down, I lose respect for me. If I see myself paying out on the people I love, how do I feel deep down? Yes, at that time I might feel I want to really tell them what I think or that sort of thing, but deep down in my quieter moments, I don't like who I am. And so, anger, this very visible and powerful emotion, begins to affect you know, my health, my relationships with others, and my own relationship with myself, which is really the seed of everything. And I think that all of us in life, I always am amazed just how well educated we are about the world outside. We know so much. Everyone today is just so has so much information. And yet we seem so uneducated about the world inside, because when anger comes, I have no idea really how to work with it, how to manage it. And so, when powerful emotions come, what do we do? Usually, our main strategy has been to suppress. I suppress my anger, I suppress my hurt, I suppress my grief. I keep pushing it down, but it comes out in different ways. You know that really quick reactive nature, that short sharp tongue. And as we know, if I suppress emotion over a long time, a lot of data says it will affect my physical health and well-being. So, sometimes we suppress or sometimes we deny. And I think one of the amazing lessons for myself on my spiritual journey is just how we've built in all these deep mechanisms of self-denial. Where I can't really see who I am cuz it's too uncomfortable. And so, you know, even I know um in one of our centers, we used to have a program called the 11th Step, which many of you will know the 12-step program, which is a wonderful program to deal with addiction. But the 11th Step is conscious contact with God. And a group used to come to one of our centers and um they would meditate. But they were telling me once the first step in the 12 steps is to admit I have a problem with drinking or whatever it may be. And that's the hardest step to actually admit to myself that actually it's me who becomes angry. And I can remember as a student, um I used to work in restaurants, like a lot of students. Part-time work. And I remember once I was at a restaurant, and one of the chefs got really angry. And he picked up pots and pans and was throwing them, and we're all ducking and weaving. And when he calmed down, I went to him and I said, you know, are you okay? So, what do you mean? I said, you looked a little bit upset. I mean, he was furious. No, I'm fine. I'm fine. Like nothing had happened. And I remember later talked to a psychologist friend, he said there's a known thing of psychology that we can do things like that and then we block it. We completely block it out of my memory that I behaved. So, sometimes we suppress, sometimes we deny. Sometimes we design my life to avoid situations that trigger my emotions. So, if there's certain people that trigger feelings in me, I sort of avoid them. And then perhaps I feel I'm okay. You know, but actually I've designed my life to really sidestep the things which really challenge me. Or even sometimes I point the finger of blame. And that's probably the most common strategy in life today. You're the one making me feel hurt, feel upset, feel angry, feel, feel, feel. It's you and your behavior. And who of us haven't been down that route? I think we've all played that game at some point of time. But spiritually, blame is the ultimate ignorance. Blame is the ultimate ignorance. It's like I give my power to you. So, you have the power over my emotions. If you behave well, my emotions will be fine. But if you don't behave well, my emotions are going to come into upheaval. Even in um the corporate world, maybe 40, 50 years ago, realizing that people build up, you know, they we pent up emotion inside, you know, I know in Japan, I read, I think in America, too, that they used to have a place in corporate America where they'd have punching bags, you know? So, you sort of go down, take off your beautiful pinstripe suit, and they go boom boom boom boom. And then put back on your old coat and go back to the office again, you know, a temporary relief of the the pent-up emotion inside. But I think what spirituality really What I love about spirituality is spirituality really says that you know, ultimately, I am responsible for who I am as a person and how I feel. And I've got to take that responsibility. And the realization that, you know, they are my emotions. And maybe for a long time I've been suppressing, denying, avoiding, blaming, doing all sorts of strategies to work with these uncomfortable feelings, but ultimately, the spiritual journey is to be kind, but honest with myself, very gentle and kind, but honest, that they are my emotions. And that's why I would say really the first step in really beginning to overcome or even work with negative emotions is to begin to understand them and take responsibility. And I think that, you know, often I think of emotion like a volcano. Once I was in Central America, in Costa Rica, it's a wonderful little country, a fascinating country, because Costa Rica has never been at war with its neighbors, and you know, it doesn't have an army. And their philosophy is if you have an army, you're going to use it. And they actually the first peace university in the world was created in Costa Rica. I went to it. It's a university that studies peace. quite an amazing country. And while I was there, I went up to a an active volcano. I walked up to the lip. And when I looked down, there was all this water inside, frothing and bubbling. It was like an iridescent It looked so sort of you know, like negative emotions, really fiery. And it to me it was sort of a great metaphor that often you know, we explode with anger. You know, but anger's like the top of the emotional tree. What's been feeding? What's been feeding that anger? Often it's fear. Fear that you may see through my facade and see that I'm not so confident. I don't I'm not as good as I look. That, you know, I'm not so adequate or I'm even inadequate in some areas. So, I have that fear that people will see through and see that. Or I have a grief, a deep grief that somewhere I lost this this perfect love. Somewhere this there's a memory I've lost that and there's this deep grief which I believe sits in the hearts of most human beings. Or even the hurt, the hurt I carry that my real needs in life haven't been met, to be loved, to be valued, to be respected. They haven't happened and sometimes I just carry this hurt. And so sometimes when the fear, the hurt, the pain, the sorrow emerges, the explosion happens, but often it's been bubbling, you know, beneath the surface for a long, long time. And that's why I think the first step to overcoming emotions is really to become like vulnerable with myself and that first law of spirituality that really says I am responsible for how I feel. They are my emotions. And unless I really own that yes, it's me who gets angry. It's me that's feeling hurt. It's It's my emotion. I don't think a healing process can begin. So that first step is really to do with my relationship with me and taking responsibility that these feelings, yes, there's no doubt people are catalysts. There's no doubt. You know, I the way I look at relationships today is that all other people do is trigger what's in me. They become instruments to trigger feelings. And the one with wisdom looks at the self, but the one who doesn't looks at you and blames you, but the one with wisdom knows that you're an instrument. You're like a messenger to show me what's still sitting within me. What's still my karmic story? What is still my unfinished business? And a really deep spiritual person won't keep putting it back on the other. It's because of your behavior. It's because of who you are I'm feeling this. But they will take that responsibility. The second step to really begin to overcome these emotions is to really know who I am. And what I feel is that these emotions are really children of a dysfunctional relationship with myself. We know in sociology that when parents don't get on. If mom and dad have conflict, they're always fighting, it has an influence on the child. If I'm always fighting with myself, if I'm very hypercritical, negative, I'm putting myself down, I'm blaming myself, I'm criticizing myself, that dysfunction creates a negative relationship with myself, and these these children are the product of this unhealthy relationship with me. And one of them is depression. And some years ago, I went on a speaking tour with a man in Sydney who wrote a book about his battle with depression. He was, as they say, very successful. That means in this world, you've got a high position, you make money. That's what this world terms as success. I feel it's more to be happy myself, but um but he was, you know, and he had a good family life, everything was okay, but deep down he felt completely depressed. And he said that the World Health Organization says one in four of us is suffering from depression. Isn't that amazing? I would say it's much more, actually. And in psychology, depression, they say, is a form of anger that my needs haven't been met, that my, you know, I haven't been loved or valued as or respected as I feel I should have. And so there's this like deep sadness in the core of the soul. But in spirituality, depression is like a mourning for the loss of my true identity. I'm living my life, but who am I really? Who am I? And this is, I think, absolutely fundamental to everything. And the more I go on in my life, I really feel unless the relationship with the self heals, nothing is going to really change in life. The seed, when the seed of my thinking, my self-perception is that I'm a temporary form with a whole lot of labels, that seed will grow a whole tree of false emotion. That seed of falsehood, if the whole foundation of my thinking is false, then what's it going to grow? I honestly believe the seed of all stress is this falsehood that we're all brought up with is that you are a body. Your name is this. You are a This is your gender. This is your culture. This is your religion. And it's a temporary identity. But, the seed of pure feelings, of love, of peace, of happiness comes when I sow the seed of my eternal identity. And the absolute wonder of the self, that I am a soul, the spirit, the consciousness, the atma. The atma means three things: I, the living, the dweller in the costume. So, this point of consciousness, the soul, exists, but it has no physical size or form. And it sits in the front of the brain. And the soul enters the womb when the quickening begins in the womb. And in the womb, often they say the soul remembers its past life and promises, you know, I want to do it better this time. But, when I'm born, I forget and I take on the identity of the temporary form once again. But when I start to really practice who I am, that I am the eternal soul, immortal, non-physical energy, that is starting to sow the seed and that is the seed of peace. And the more I create peace, then there's less likelihood that the habit, the deep habit of anger, will take over. And this is why we construct today where we sit in meditation in the morning, we create peace, the fragrance of peace in my mind and the whole idea is that that peace flows through my day. Now, all of us have habits of anger, habits of negative emotion. And the reason for this is that when we go deep into the soul, the soul is really an over name for three aspects of consciousness, the mind, which is the receiver of all the information of through the sense organs. So, I see, I hear. It all is shown on the screen of the mind, like the screen up here. So, all the data from your senses comes up onto the screen of the mind. The intellect is assessing all that data. So, the intellect is the one assessing and making a decision. And then I make a decision, I do an action, I say something. And every action is imprinted on my subconscious. So, if you do something and I get annoyed once, twice, 10 times, 20 times, I create the habit of anger. So, what is happens is that we wake up in the morning and we all really I believe the intent of every human being is good. Really I believe most of us have this really high intent. I want to be a loving, kind, good human being. So, I wake up and think that and then 3 minutes later someone does something and I'm you know this habit because it's a habit in my subconscious to feel sad. A little thing happens to feel depressed, to feel angry and this is why some of our negative emotions have an incredible power over us. Because I would say they're not just from childhood but from many lifetimes I've created subconscious habits. And this is why on this spiritual journey some habits change quickly. Some take time and some most some of us feel is too powerful. I feel like a slave to my own weakness. You know, I sometimes have a determination but this fear this anger, this hurt, this grief keeps coming back time and time again. And so this we're starting to get a picture why sometimes these negative emotions can be so incredibly strong but equally my positive feelings of peace and love are equally strong. And really when I sow the seed of being a soul, I start to tap into the power of my positive emotions. But I would say the next step is to experience true love. And another incredibly powerful emotion is grief. And there was a famous American psychiatrist, um, Elizabeth Kübler-Ross, um, who was a diminutive little psy- psychiatrist from Los Angeles, an incredible woman, who believed that every human being holds a sort of deep well of grief inside. And when we lose something, it seems to open that well of grief. I might even just I don't know, there's a little bit of a conflict and a loss of a friendship, but the feeling of sadness and grief is so overpowering. And she used to feel the reason why sometimes the grief is so great, especially if we lose a loved one, is cuz she felt the original grief was the loss of love, of God, God's love. That we've known perfect love. We've known that sense of belonging. We've known that closeness and somewhere we lost it. And so even if I lose a friendship, I lose a pet, I lose something, it just opens this deep wound of grief inside. And I I think there's a lot of merit in that because in my experience, you know, on this journey for a long time, that the most powerful healing thing all of us have negative emotions, all of us have lack of self-respect, all of us have all this stuff, but the deepest healing begins when I reestablish a relationship with God. There's some magic in that that nothing else really has. And when I began to meditate, I was told that I was a soul. That made a lot of sense to me. The soul is this tiny point, and I learned how to sort of let go all the labels and just become a soul sitting lightly in the forehead, detached from my body. But then I learned that the supreme soul is a real living being, a real living soul like me. And I don't need to worship or pray, but have a natural loving relationship. To have relationship is in the DNA of the human spirit. It's absolutely natural. What is so powerful about this relationship is that it's permanent. This relationship will never go, whereas every other relationship will go. You know, I often feel we search for true love. It's in the it's in the nature of being a human being. We're always looking cuz we have this deep memory of that original love of God. We search for true love. We invest our heart in relationships. We give everything in our families. We do, you know, you think how much you sacrifice for others. But there's that huge human dilemma. No relationship is permanent. No relationship is permanent, whether it's time, whether it's change, whether it's conflict, whether it's separation, whether it's death. And this has created this incredible fear and insecurity inside all of us, powerful emotions. Powerful emotions because we have been taught we're a temporary body, and you are a temporary body, too. And, you know, these temporary bodies will go at some point. But, as I, the soul, who's permanent, establish a relationship with my lover, the supreme soul, who's permanent, it's like it reestablishes strength, and it resolves so much of that powerful emotion of fear. You know, they say there's two prime emotions in life, fear and love. And, you know, and most other emotions are a sort of extensions of those two emotions. All of us know how absolutely paralyzing fear can be, but all of us also know how life-transforming love can be. And, really, a lot of fear comes from dependence or attachment. When I attach my heart to a person or to a possession or to a role or responsibility, I immediately build fear. And the more I attach my heart, I just build this fear into my life. And I can't even enjoy that relationship sometimes, cuz I'm so afraid of losing it, and that sort of sense of loneliness or insecurity coming. And that's why spirituality reconnects me with my truth, because what spirituality really begins to say is that you always exist. And the only thing that's permanent is change, you know? There will as we know, the only thing that's permanent is change. And so, this is when I really begin to realize that I'm eternal, the soul is immortal, God is eternal, and I really establish this relationship. And I would really emphasize relationship because it's natural. And what I feel about spirituality these days is that the most natural thing for all of us is to fall in love. It's recorded in us. We don't have to be taught. It's recorded in us. And when we fall in love with the divine, we understand how attractive the supreme soul is. So pure, so simple, and real or it's a real relationship with a living being. Then automatically, I connect, I remember. And the more I remember, I connect with a being that's pure, my mind becomes elevated, and I automatically begin to change. And almost naturally, the old emotions have less power over me. And this is why, really, the way I've been thinking about this in recent times is that in the Brahma Kumaris, you know, these days I have to use the word meditate cuz I think people just feel it's so hard. It's It's hard work to sort of try to elevate your consciousness. But what we learn here is to remember. It's very deep, actually. Cuz whenever you remember, you connect. And whenever you connect, you're influenced by what you connect with. And when you're influenced, you have a feeling inside. So, if you connect with somebody and you're having a difficult time, you're in conflict with that person, The instant you connect, you're influenced by that negative emotion. You feel heavy, peaceless, disturbed inside. The logic here is as I go about my life, as I meet people, go to work, fulfill my life's responsibilities, I remember my lover, the beloved, the supreme soul. It's not just a belief, it's a real relationship with a real soul. But this soul does not have a body. It's a different style of relationship. And that's what I've got to get learn to get used to. And that takes time and patience, but when I do, you are plugging into a source of inner strength like no other. And dealing with this very changeable and uncertain world, I feel stable. Cuz my mind is connected there, rather than to all this stuff changing around me. And finally, I just want to talk about one other powerful emotion. Um because we want a little bit of time for questions as well. And that is the emotion of jealousy. And I feel that most of us don't recognize when we're under the influence of jealousy. And I think often jealousy is an emotion that has an effect on relationships as much as almost any other emotion. Um a negative effect on my relationships. Jealousy is an emotion in anticipation of losing something I value. I value my relationship with you. A third party comes. And that party may threaten my friendship with you. I value my role in an organization or whatever. Someone else comes who's capable. I feel threatened. And so without I think often consciously what happens, the process of jealousy, is I compare myself with others. I do it unconsciously often. And if others appear wiser or more popular or more capable they may threaten something I value in my life. And unconsciously I begin to oppose them. And in my conscious mind I have so much rationale as to why this person's not a good person. I I'm so clever. I've I've actually rationalized it to myself why I oppose them, why I don't trust them. And yet actually it's my own jealousy which I'm really under the influence of. And it's a powerful emotion that can be so destructive in my relationships with others. So incredibly destructive. And I think that when I really look deeply um you know, how much influence has jealousy played in my life. And often I think jealousy is the the seed of so many you know breakdowns in relationships with others. Anyway powerful emotions are a a huge story for all of us. And in a just a moment we're going to have some questions. But just before we have questions, I think that we're living in a time of huge change. And it's triggering all our feelings. And I feel whenever I'm sort of sharing these days, it's so important to put a regular practice into life. I know often with spirituality, we love it. We read the books. You know, we love to talk about it because that's the nature of the way we learn these days. It's more an intellectual thing. But, spiritual learning is a completely different style of learning. Spiritual learning is really transformation. And the learning we do at university or whatever, we just know so much information. We know so much about so many things. All of us are quite articulate on so many different subjects. Spiritual learning is just taking one idea, who am I? And going deeper and deeper and deeper, unpacking the eternal truth of who I am. I am a soul. I'm a point of consciousness. I can never die. I will always exist. I'm non-physical. I carry my story from my past, which is overlaying and influencing my present. Some of my habitual emotional patterns of the past are overlaying and affecting my relationships now. The reason we follow a spiritual life is we don't really battle with my negative emotion. But, the more I become soul conscious, I actually start to withdraw the power of peace. And the more I withdraw the power of peace, the less my anger, my frustration, all these things have power over me. The more I have a relationship, a loving relationship with God, then the less fear and, you know, grief and these sorts of emotions, they start to have less power over me. I don't really fight them consciously, but I actually develop the awareness of who I am and the awareness of God and the old power of negative emotion loses its strength over me. It does take time. It wouldn't be fair to say that it just happens overnight. We know because some of them are very deep. And this is why really if we practice on a regular basis, I think that's the message of our time. And what that really means is that not that I just meditate morning and night because often I find people meditate, they really feel good, and then as soon as they stop meditating, their thinking goes back to their old way. But actually, what we do here is all throughout the day, as I fulfill my life's responsibilities, I'm practicing soul consciousness and practicing remembering, practicing the connection. The more I practice, it's like I step back into my self-respect. I step back into that inner stability. And it's really, I think, during this time and looking at our world, it's so unpredictable, it's so uncertain. So, I can't rely on the world out there. It's not going to fulfill my desires or needs, but I can establish a stable world inside. It is possible. It just needs some practice. So, I've been going on for quite a long time now, and uh so I think a few questions have come in the chat box, so you'll hear a disembodied voice of Shri Ram coming through. So, he will speak the question, and Om Shanti. Uh thank you, Bahenji. This is very beautiful uh talk from you, and many comments and not sure what Bahenji means, it means brother. So. Mhm. Thank you for that. So, many uh beautiful comments we got, and some questions. Uh the question, do certain food affect emotion? Yeah, I mean, that's a very interesting question, and I would say I'm definitely not a an expert in this. But, um you know, once um I was in the headquarters of the Brahma Kumaris in India, and there's a woman there who was there, and she's actually um from India, but she's a colonel in the US Army. She's a surgeon, actually. And she was talking a lot about the effect of diet on the mind. And she really feels that extreme things, you know, a little bit of everything is okay, but too much of anything is not okay. Um but a lot will say that, you know, too much sugar and all this sort of thing can make us quite hyperactive. But I would say diet has a minimal influence compared to my subconscious habits that I create. And the the language we use when I perform an action and it's recorded in my subconscious, it's called a samskara. So, we literally have millions of millions of these subconscious samskaras which go to make up my unique personality. And sometimes I think that the soul is like an iceberg, you know, an iceberg 10% is above the water and 90% below. So, you can see some. We show a little bit of ourselves, but most of ourselves we hide. It's not seen, you know? Our emotions, our feelings, our real stuff we hide beneath the surface. And um So, that is really what has the main to influence, but there's no doubt um They do say that um eating a red meat diet and this sort of thing can create aggression, um anger, and these sorts of things. So, that's why in this whole journey towards a more peaceful life where we're non-violent, we tread lightly in this earth, to be vegetarian is a is really an act of love for the world and love for our fellow beings in this world and it does have an effect on my emotions positively. Thank you. Thank you for that. Uh In your talk, you talked about for the depression when we get that or psychology says uh in previous in past some things which are not has been done as I wanted. So, where from this comes key that I want and that expectation expectation or something is not fulfilled as I want. But where from that comes which particular things to be happen like this or not. How we can come overcome from that my what I want to be or what I want to be seen from others. I think it's because originally we were a a self-contained system. So just my thoughts gave me peace, my thoughts gave me love. My thoughts made me happy. But as I lost soul power, I start to look to you to give me love. To this to give to me peace. For this to make me happy. So I would became dependent on the outcome. I want you to behave in a certain way so that that makes me happy. And when you don't behave in a certain way, that makes me unhappy. So I blame you. So I've become so dependent on things external. It is so deep in the human spirit to blame others. Even so many years on the spiritual journey people are caught up in the falsehood that you are the problem. It's how I mean I know I just I'm amazed sometimes how these thoughts come back, but it's I'm deceiving myself when I do that. And that's where really what is happening when I know who I am and I have a relationship with God. I realize whatever needs I want, I have control over inside. Because I don't have control over your behavior. I don't have control over the outcome of the world economy or what is ever's happening. And that's why people feel so powerless today. And they're so sensitive to the economy and the the workplace and the family and people. We're so sensitive because we have so many desires that these external things have to be a certain way to fulfill my needs. I want you to behave in this way. I want this to happen. And we all know when it doesn't happen, how do you feel? Do you feel angry, resentful, hurt, frustrated, disappointed? Mhm. And you know, people with high expectations are often disappointed. And no one can ever live up to their expectations. And they sort of they really feel human beings are like this and this, but they don't realize it's their own expectations that have made them permanently disappointed in other people will never live up to their expectations. The wonderful thing I've learned in the Brahma Kumaris is the power of detachment. And that really means that I live in this world. I'm so engaged with people, with life, fully, 110% involved, but I'm non, you know, attached in that way. So, it means that if you behave well, it's okay, but if you don't, what can I do? Detachment is a deep state of wisdom, but it's misunderstood. Detachment in English sounds cut off, disconnected, aloof. No. Detachment actually is the foundation of being loving. A detached person can love all people because they're detached from their behaviors and their moods. But it's a very high state. And you know what I've noticed is when people really fall in love with God, the supreme soul, they become naturally detached. It's not and they just naturally uninfluenced by all the ups and downs of life. It's a natural thing. It's not that I'm thinking, "Oh, I shouldn't be affected." They are naturally not affected by a lot of the stuff because their mind is engaged elsewhere. Wow, quite wise. Thank you, I see. One more question coming. Uh How to control emotion emotional jealousy? Like competitiveness in school, college, and office environment. Yeah, I mean jealousy is a huge thing in our world and I think a lot bigger than we often feel. Um I think it's the whole foundation of it is a lack of self-respect. And um because my relationship with myself has really become dysfunctional. And I believe personally the reason we have this crazy world is one reason that the relationship of me with me the first relationship in life of 7.8 billion human beings is so dysfunctional it creates the mad world we're living in. You know? And until we heal this first relationship it's not going to change. So what happens is cuz I lack so much self-respect and I see someone who's clever, who's talented, who's popular I feel threatened and it's not conscious. I compare and I feel threatened. And unless I really rebuild myself value and another way of describing the spiritual journey. What is the spiritual journey? To rebuild and heal this relationship with myself. You know, to rebuild this dysfunctional relationship and make it a good relationship. And then I have self-respect. I don't feel threatened. I live in my value. And when I have self-respect and I accept myself, I can accept others. Not only accept, I enjoy it when they're successful. I enjoy it when they do well. I think, "Wow, isn't that great?" But if I don't have self-respect, I feel threatened by I compare, I feel threatened. And then this jealousy kicks in and it's the most horrible feeling, isn't it? This feeling of um burning with you know, just that person's name. Whenever anyone says, "Oh, so-and-so uh that" you just burn inside and you know, all these feelings that jealously creates. Really, I have to rebuild my self-respect. And that is a lifetime journey. That's why we come to study here. And interestingly, the more you create pure thoughts, you have pure feelings, you speak positive words, you do pure actions, the more likely you are you'll develop self-respect. Thank you. Uh one sister is asking, "What more methods you have for us to stops to stop suppressing bad feelings?" Um it's very deep. And to be frank, I think when people come onto the spiritual journey, the spiritual journey is one of transformation. But our habit is to suppress. So, even when we start our spiritual journey, on the surface, we learn new ideas and they're acceptable. And I I do change, but it's not so deep. And I still sometimes suppress some of my own stuff. And this is why sometimes on the spiritual journey, I've seen after 5 or 10 years, a lot of people, a lot of rubbish comes up and then people start to think this doesn't work. But it's because I my old habit of to suppress my stuff has been there. And when it comes out, I think I'm going backwards. I think, "Oh gosh, I thought I've been a practicing meditation for 10 years and look what's happening. I I feel I'm worse than I was before." But you're not. You're actually almost got enough power to really look at this stuff. And um practice. So, I think I have to really be vulnerable with myself. And one of the great wisdoms of spirituality is to be like an honest observer of the self. An honest observer of the self. And that is an objectivity. And it's very very difficult. Why? Cuz most people can't see any good in themselves. If I'm an honest observer of myself, I'll see all this beauty. I'll see all these good qualities. And once I have that platform, I can then be more objective about my weakness. If I only see my weakness, I feel hopeless. And that hopelessness just makes me want to suppress it again. Push I It's too much. I'll deny it. I'll keep denying it even more. But an honest observer will know my value and also know my weakness, but I don't feel hopeless in seeing my weakness. The reason I'm here is to develop strategies to transform myself and change my weaknesses. So, maybe just one more question because it's 11:00 and we don't want to keep everyone too long. Then we'll just have a few minutes of meditation. Thank you. So, one soul is asking uh you talked about the detachment, but our detachment sometimes uh effects others. So, how does the how does that effect our karma? It's because um in trying to be detached, we become aloof. We're not detached. True detachment is to be extremely loving. You know, you can only really to be truly detached, you have to be totally loving. To be truly loving, you have to be totally detached. Because you can love people in a good mood and love people in a bad mood. If if I'm detached in the wrong way, your people won't be happy cuz I'm sort of I'm not coping, so I cut off. I disconnect. I withdraw. I may be physically present with people, but mentally I withdraw. And a lot of people do that. Because they're not coping, they sort of mentally withdraw. That's not detachment at all. That's not healthy. The detachment we're talking about is to be extremely loving, extremely caring, extremely close, very kind, good communication, but uninfluenced by. I'm uninfluenced by people's moods, their behaviors, their attitudes, their opinions, cuz most of us just dance to the tune of other people. If their mood's good, my mood's good. If their mood's bad, we just drink it all in, and then I blame you. Because of you, I'm feeling this. This the This is the culture. This is the human condition of today. But the spiritual story says, "No. I'm the master." So, if you're in a bad mood and I stay in a good mood, actually my mood can often lift you out of your bad mood. That's really being Being detached is to be very close, very loving, and very caring. I'm very considerate. But I'm not drinking in your stuff. It doesn't help people. Sometimes we feel we have to identify with people's sorrow to help them. No, you You know, they often say that when a a little baby is really sick, a nurse can be more effective than a mother, cuz the mother's so emotionally caught up, and a nurse will just do what she has to do. This sort of thing, you know. The nurse is still being loving and caring, but it has an objectivity as well. Okay. So, as we do, just like to invite everybody to enjoy a few moments of meditation. I was saying I don't use the word meditation much, because um I think if you use the word remembering, it makes it much more easy. It feels easier. And we often call this easy Raja Yoga. Why? All I have to do is remember who I am and remember who I belong to. It's that simple. But where I plug into creates the quality of my life. If I plug into the past, if I plug into conflict in relationships, if I plug into the future and the worry, what's going to be my state of mind? But if I plug into who I am, and I plug into the one relationship that's permanent, I really settle my inner world. So, I will just suggest a few thoughts. A part of life today is powerful emotions. They can influence in a split second. But equally powerful are my original qualities. My natural and original state is peace. And to open a deep world of peace. I just need to know and experience who I am. Visualize yourself as an eternal spark of life energy sitting in the center of the forehead in the front of the brain. I am eternal. My body is temporary. I am immortal. My body is mortal. I am non-physical. My body is physical. As I begin to reconnect with my true self experience myself as a bodyless soul I taste the sweetness of true peace. And in this soul conscious state, I come in front of the one relationship that's permanent. The relationship with the divine, with God. I see a radiant jewel of light, an unlimited ocean of love. And I just remember, connect. And it's like I live stream that divine love back into the core of my being. This pure love, this pure acceptance, helps me settle inside. Makes me feel like I belong. I feel secure. And all the fear of change begins to go. I feel I have what I need. And I let go the fear of loss. The more I live my day-to-day life in the awareness of who I am and who I belong to, I emerge all these original feelings of peace, of love, of happiness, of power, and the effect of my old emotions begins to diminish. Thank you. Thank you very much, Charlie. That was just so informative and so deep. And uh I think out of any talk I've listened to, I learned the most from this cuz it's something that affects us every day. Mhm. So, thank you so much, Charlie. Sally, as always, thanks for having me. It's lovely to be with you. Thank you. Come again soon. Okay. Thank you, everybody, and good morning. And thanks everyone in the room, too. Om shanti. Om shanti.46:Tb0e4,okay good morning to everyone everyone here and everyone watching at home listening and uh it's our great pleasure to have charlie hogg here is the director of the brahma kumaris in australia and we're very very fortunate to have him here and a wonderful topic which is overcoming negative emotions so it's something we all have to deal with and we couldn't have a better person to help us to know how to cope with these negative emotions and how to let them go so we're all very interested charlie to hear your suggestions and your experience so thank you so much thank you so much sally it's always so lovely to be here in lura in the blue mountains and um there's also a few of us in the room here which is lovely sometimes it's just an empty room when we do the the webinars and i think as sally was saying that the last year has been an incredibly challenging year for virtually everybody and i think for everybody a lot of um unfinished business can we call them negative emotions have emerged sometimes they sort of bubble up and sometimes they come with incredible force and i've often been amazed with all our education all our life experience we often really have no strategies as to how to sort of manage these powerful feelings that emerge inside of us and when we look at our history there seems to be three main things which we have in our history one is religion the second is psychology and the third is spirituality and you know i when i left school i wandered around the world for some years and i lived in religious communities all types of religious communities which was a wonderful experience and i learned to love all the religions dearly but i also found that when negative emotions emerge there wasn't really a strategy except to suppress them and push them down [Music] and as a result i think that many of us when our powerful emotions our powerful feelings come our subconscious or conscious strategy is just to push them down because they don't look nice and that's why i think about 150 years ago or longer psychology was born really with the aim to be more honest about the dark side of the self we all have that dark side it's a part it's the shadow in the human spirit and psychology began to acknowledge that all of us do have negative emotions and as wonderful as that was to be more open about it to really discover why i feel the way i do often i think what happens with psychology we we begin to indulge in so much self-analysis as to why i am the way i am so at least i begin to know why these emotions are there and the origins of them but often not much power to really transform them or overcome them and that's where i think spirituality has a wonderful part because i think the role of spirituality is also to really acknowledge my negative emotions that they are there but i don't put so much energy into this sort of constant analysis of them but i put energy into really transforming them [Music] and many years ago i used to teach meditation at long bay jail which is sydney's main jail and once i was invited to run a meditation course in a special prison they'd set up a special prison for a small group of prisoners with the aim to try to reform their behavior and so if they were good prisoners they got points and if they broke the rules they lost their points and if they lost quite a few points and they were sent back into the main prison once again and so it was really in their interest to you know be good because they got privileges like television and things like this so when i went along there there was only 15 prisoners in this prison and all 15 came for meditation i thought isn't that wonderful they're all interested in meditation and then i found out they got points for coming the main reason they were there was just to collect their points but what i remember was one prisoner we were talking very openly and one prisoner shared his heart about his anger about his temper and he was a big man a huge man and a very articulate man really intelligent and he said i get so angry i completely lose control of myself and i killed somebody and then he said i came to jail and the same thing happened and i killed the water he was quite famous in the new south wales prison system but he was just expressing how sometimes emotion is so powerful he loses complete control of his inner faculties and perhaps our emotions aren't that strong but we all know the power of emotion and how it's instant it instantly seems to bulldoze the intellect you know which is the faculty of reason and the emotion takes over and we say things we do things which we later you know wish we hadn't done and so i think we all experience these powerful feelings as sally was saying but some emotions are very visible they're the what i call the explosive style of emotion anger aggression etc but most are invisible fear hurt depression grief guilt all these sort of feelings um invisible but i would say equally powerful or even more powerful than the visible emotions and probably the sort of the pinnacle emotion that all of us experience in many different ways is anger and spiritually they say anger is on three levels you have the the overt anger which is you know speaking or even getting physically violent speaking negatively then there's the emotional anger which is the irritation the annoyance the frustration i think we all know those feelings but then there's that silent anger where i just avoid somebody actually giving someone the silent treatment avoiding somebody is actually i would say a form of anger also and so anger is an incredibly powerful emotion and when we start to explore these negative emotions we realize they have an amazing effect on all parts of my life a negative effect you know there's a lot of research into the emotion of anger and when we get angry adrenaline and cortisol just go right through my system instantly and when that begins to happen it can you know create increased blood sugar blood pressure which hardens my arteries so anger when i'm regularly angry it can actually create heart disease this is actual research there's also research that says that when we regularly get angry it kills cells there's cell atrophy in the brain and it creates memory loss and i even remember one of my friends in the uk telling me that there's been some research that when we remove anger in the form of a grudge it can relieve back pain that's incredible isn't it so our emotions really are deeply connected to you know even our physiology and our physical health so that's one thing but i would say even another aspect of this too is my relationships and we all know the effect of relationships and the founder of the brahma-kumaris was brahma-baba and he founded the brahma-kumaris in what is now pakistan in the 1930s and he was a person just so deeply on the spiritual journey and he would often say that when you get angry you lose control in one second but it will affect your life for a minimum of six months because what happens if for instance if i just had a tantrum now on this webinar if i threw a tantrum i can guarantee the one thing you'd remember about this webinar was my tantrum and it's like we have a little digital camera here in the third eye go click click click click and it's stored on the hard disk and so every time i would come in front of you for a long time you're thinking is he going to get angry so like loss of control for a few seconds people record it in their memory you have to behave peacefully a hundred times at least to wipe that from their memory and so we all know actually how devastating anger can be in relationships and um i think every human being could share some powerful experiences of that mostly it affects me and when we get angry with somebody you know when i see someone really really angry you know sometimes i think it's scary it's scary isn't it because the face and the eyes it's really sort of quite frightening on one level but in one way i feel they're just saying help me help me i've lost control of my inner world and my emotions the only way i can express this absolute loss of inner power is this venting this incredible frustration and the real effect of anger on the self is deep down i lose respect for me if i see myself paying out on the people i love how do i feel deep down yes at that time i might feel i want to really tell them what i think or that sort of thing but deep down in my quieter moments i don't like who i am and so anger this very visible and powerful emotion begins to affect you know my health my relationships with others and my own relationship with myself which is really the seed of everything and i think that all of us in life i always am amazed just how well educated we are about the world outside we know so much everyone today is just so has so much information and it would seem so uneducated about the world inside because when anger comes i have no idea really how to work with it how to manage it and so when powerful emotions come what do we do usually our main strategy has been to suppress i suppress my anger i suppress my hurt i suppress my grief i keep pushing it down but it comes out in different ways you know that really quick reactive nature that short sharp tongue and as we know if i suppress emotion over a long time a lot of data says it will affect my physical health and well-being so sometimes we suppress or sometimes we deny and i think one of the amazing lessons for myself on my spiritual journey is just how we've built in all these deep mechanisms of self-denial where i can't really see who i am because it's too uncomfortable and so you know even i know in one of our centers we used to have a program called the 11th step which many of you will know the 12-step program which is a wonderful program to deal with addiction but the 11th step is conscious contact with god and a group used to come to one of our centers and they would meditate but they were telling me once the first step and the 12 steps is to admit i have a problem with drinking or whatever it may be and that's the hardest step to actually admit to myself that actually it's me who becomes angry and i can remember as a student i used to work in restaurants like a lot of students part-time work and i remember once i was at a restaurant and one of the chefs got really angry and he picked up pots and pans and was throwing them and we're all ducking and weeping and when he called down i went to him and i said you know are you okay so what do you mean i said you looked a little bit upset i mean he was furious no i'm fine i'm fine like nothing had happened and i remember later talked to a psychologist friend he said there's a known thing of psychology that we can do things like that and then we block it we completely block it out of my memory that i've behaved so sometimes we suppress sometimes we deny sometimes we design my life to avoid situations that trigger my emotions so if there's certain people that trigger feelings in me i sort of avoid them and then perhaps i feel i'm okay you know but actually i've designed my life to really sidestep the things which really challenge me or even sometimes i point the finger of blame and that's probably the most common strategy in life today you're the one making me feel hurt feel upset feel angry feel feel feel it's you and your behavior and who of us haven't been down that route i think we've all played that game at some point of time but spiritually blame is the ultimate ignorance blame is the ultimate ignorance it's like i give my power to you so you have the power over my emotions if you behave well my emotions will be fine but if you don't behave well my emotions are going to come into upheaval even in the corporate world maybe 40 50 years ago realizing that people build up your now we pent up emotion inside you know i know in japan i read i think in america too that they used to have a place in corporate america where they have punching bags you know so you sort of go down take off your beautiful pinstripe suit they go and then put back on your coat and go back to the office again you know a temporary relief of the the pent up emotion inside but i think what spirituality really what i love about spirituality is spirituality really says that no ultimately i am responsible for who i am as a person and how i feel and i've got to take that responsibility and the realization that you know they are my emotions and maybe for a long time i've been suppressing denying avoiding blaming doing all sorts of strategies to work with these uncomfortable feelings but ultimately the spiritual journey is to be kind but honest with myself very gentle and kind but honest that they are my emotions and that's why i would say really the first step in really beginning to overcome or even work with negative emotions is to begin to understand them and take responsibility and i think that you know often i think of emotion like a volcano once i was in central america in costa rica it's a wonderful little country a fascinating country because costa rica has never been at war with its neighbors and you know it doesn't have an army and their philosophy is if you have an army you're going to use it and they're actually the first peace university in the world was created in costa rica i went to it it's a university that studies peace quite an amazing country and while i was there i went up to an active volcano i walked up to the lip and when i looked down there was all this water inside frothing and bubbling it was like an iridescent it looked so sort of you know like negative emotions really fiery and it to me it was sort of a great metaphor that often you know we explode with anger you know but angus like the top of the emotional tree what's been feeding what's been feeding that anger often it's fear fear that you may see through my facade and see that i'm not so confident i don't i'm not as good as i look that you know i'm not so adequate or i'm even inadequate in some area so i have that fear that people will see through and see that or i have a grief a deep grief that somewhere i lost this this perfect love somewhere this there's a memory i've lost that and there's this deep grief which i believe sits in the hearts of most human beings or even the hurt the hurt i carry that my real needs in life haven't been met to be loved to be valued to be respected they haven't happened and sometimes i just carry this hurt and so sometimes when the fear the hurt the pain the sorrow emerges the explosion happens but often it's been bubbling you know beneath the surface for a long long time and that's why i think the first step to overcoming emotions is really to become like vulnerable with myself and that first law of spirituality that really says i am responsible for how i feel they are my emotions and unless i really own that yes it's me who gets angry it's me that's feeling hurt it's it's my emotion i don't think a healing process can begin so that first step is really to do with my relationship with me and taking responsibility that these feelings yes there's no doubt people are catalysts there's no doubt you know i the way i look at relationships today is that all other people do is trigger what's in me they become instruments to trigger feelings and the one with wisdom looks at the self but the one who doesn't looks at you and blames you but the one with wisdom knows that you're an instrument you're like a messenger to show me what's still sitting within me what's still my karmic story what is still my unfinished business and a really deep spiritual person won't keep putting it back on the other it's because of your behavior it's because of who you are i'm feeling this but they will take that responsibility the second step to really begin to overcome these emotions is to really know who i am and what i feel is that these emotions are really children of a dysfunctional relationship with myself we know in sociology that when parents don't get on if mom and dad have conflict they're always fighting it has an influence on the child if i'm always fighting with myself if i'm very hyper critical negative i'm putting myself down i'm blaming myself i'm criticizing myself that dysfunction creates a negative relationship with myself and these these children are the product of this unhealthy relationship with me and one of them is depression and some years ago i went on a speaking tour with a man in sydney who wrote a book about his battle with depression he was as they say very successful that means in this world you've got a high position you make money that's what this world terms is success i feel it's more to be happy myself but um but he was you know and he had a good family life everything was okay but deep down he felt completely depressed and he said that the world health organization says one in four of us is suffering from depression isn't that amazing i would say it's much more actually and in psychology depression they say is a form of anger that my needs haven't been met that my you know i haven't been loved or valued as or respected as i feel i should have and so there's this like deep sadness in the core of the soul but in spirituality depression is like a mourning for the loss of my true identity i'm living my life but who am i really who am i and this is i think absolutely fundamental to everything and the more i go on in my life i really feel unless the relationship with the self heals nothing is going to really change in life the seed when the seed of my thinking my self-perception is that i'm a temporary form with a whole lot of labels that seed will grow a whole tree of false emotion that seed of falsehood if the whole foundation of my thinking is false then what's it going to grow i honestly believe the seed of all stress is this falsehood that we're all brought up with is that you are a body your name is this you are a this is your gender this is your culture this is your religion and it's a temporary identity but the seed of pure feelings of love of peace of happiness comes when i sow the seed of my eternal identity and the absolute wonder of the self that i am a soul the spirit the consciousness the atma the atma means three things i then living the dweller in the costume so this point of consciousness the soul exists but it has no physical size or form and it sits in the front of the brain and the soul enters the womb when the quickening begins in the womb and in the womb often they say the soul remembers its past life and promises you know i want to do it better this time but when i'm born i forget and i take on the identity of the temporary form once again but when i start to really practice who i am that i am the eternal soul immortal non-physical energy that is starting to sow the seed and that is the seed of peace and the more i create peace then there's less likelihood that the habit the deep habit of anger will take over and this is why we construct a day where we sit in meditation in the morning we create peace the fragrance of peace in my mind and the whole idea is that that peace flows through my day now all of us have habits of anger habits of negative emotion and the reason for this is that when we go deep into the soul the soul is really an over name for three aspects of consciousness the mind which is the receiver of all the information of through the sense organ so i see i hear it all is shown on the screen of the mind like the screen up here so all the data from your senses comes up onto the screen of the mind the intellect is assessing all that data so the intellect is the one assessing and making a decision and then i make a decision i do an action i say something and every action is imprinted on my subconscious so if you do something and i get annoyed once twice 10 times 20 times i create the habit of anger so what is happens is that we wake up in the morning and we all really i believe the intent of every human being is good really i believe most of us have this really high intent i want to be a loving kind good human being so i wake up and think that and then three minutes later someone does something and i'm you know this habit because it's a habit in my subconscious to feel sad a little thing happens to feel depressed to feel angry and this is why some of our negative emotions have an incredible power over us because i would say they're not just from childhood but from many lifetimes i've created subconscious habits and this is why on this spiritual journey some habits change quickly some take time and some most some of us feel is too powerful i feel like a slave to my own weakness you know i sometimes have a determination but this fear this anger this hurt this grief keeps coming back time and time again and so at least we're starting to get a picture why sometimes these negative emotions can be so incredibly strong but equally my positive feelings of peace and love are equally strong and really when i sow the seed of being a soul i start to tap into the power of my positive emotions but i would say the next step is to experience true love and another incredibly powerful emotion is grief and there was a famous american psychiatrist um [Music] elizabeth kubleros who was a diminutive little psychiatrist from los angeles an incredible woman who believed that every human being holds this sort of deep well of grief inside and when we lose something it seems to open that well of grief i might even just i don't know there's a little bit of a conflict and a loss of a friendship but the feeling of sadness and grief is so overpowering and she used to feel the reason why sometimes the grief is so great especially if we lose a loved one is because she felt the original grief was the loss of love of god god's love that we have known perfect love we've known that sense of belonging we've known that closeness and somewhere we lost it and so even if i lose a friendship i lose a pet i lose something it just opens this deep wound of grief inside and i i think there's a lot of merit in that because in my experience you know on this journey for a long time that the most powerful healing thing all of us have negative emotions all of us have lack of self-respect all of us have all this stuff but the deepest healing begins when i re-establish a relationship with god there's some magic in that that nothing else really has and when i began to meditate i was told that i was a soul that made a lot of sense to me the soul is this tiny point and i learned how to sort of let go all the labels and just become a soul sitting lightly in the forehead detach from my body but then i learned that the supreme soul is a real living being a real living soul like me and i don't need to worship or pray but have a natural loving relationship to have relationship is in the dna of the human spirit it's absolutely natural what is so powerful about this relationship is that it's permanent this relationship will never go whereas every other relationship will go you know i often feel we search for true love it's in the it's in the nature of being a human being we're always looking because we have this deep memory of that original love of god we search for true love we invest our heart in relationships we give everything in our families we do you know you think how much you sacrifice for others but there's that huge human dilemma no relationship is permanent no relationship is permanent whether it's time whether it's change whether it's conflict whether it's separation whether it's death and this has created this incredible fear and insecurity inside all of us powerful emotions powerful emotions because we have been taught we're a temporary body and you are a temporary body too and you know these temporary bodies will go at some point but as i the soul who's permanent establish a relationship with my lover the supreme soul who's permanent it's like it re-establishes strength and it resolves so much of that powerful emotion of fear you know they say there's two prime emotions in life fear and love and you know and most other emotions are sort of extensions of those two emotions all of us know how absolutely paralyzing fear can be but all of us also know how life transforming love can be and really a lot of fear comes from dependence or attachment when i attach my heart to a person or to a possession or to a role or responsibility i immediately build fear and the more i attach my heart i just build this fear into my life and i can't even enjoy that relationship sometimes because i'm so afraid of losing it and that sort of sense of loneliness or insecurity coming [Music] and that's why spirituality reconnects me with my truth because what spirituality really begins to say is that you always exist and the only thing that's permanent is change you know they will as we know the only thing that's permanent is change and so this is when i really begin to realize that i'm eternal the soul is immortal god is eternal and i really establish this relationship and i would really emphasize relationship because it's natural and what i feel about spirituality these days is that the most natural thing for all of us is to fall in love it's recorded in us we don't have to be taught it's recorded in us and when we fall in love with the divine we understand how attractive the supreme soul is so pure so simple and real it's a real relationship with a living being then automatically i connect i remember and the more i remember i connect with a being that's pure my mind becomes elevated and i automatically begin to change and almost naturally the old emotions have less power over me and this is why really the way i've been thinking about this in recent times is that in the brahmacaris you know these days i had to use the word meditate because i think people just feel it's so hard it's it's hard work to sort of try to elevate your consciousness but what we learn here is to remember it's very deep actually because whenever you remember you connect and whenever you connect your influence by what you connect with and when you're influenced you have a feeling inside so if you connect with somebody and you're having a difficult time you're in conflict with that person the instant you connect you're influenced by that negative emotion you feel heavy peaceless disturbed inside the logic here is as i go about my life as i meet people go to work fulfill my life's responsibilities i remember my lover the beloved the supreme soul it's not just a belief it's a real relationship with a real soul but this soul does not have a body it's a different style of relationship and that's what i've got to get learned to get used to and that takes time and patience but when i do you are plugging into a source of inner strength like no other and dealing with this very changeable and uncertain world i feel stable because my mind is connected there rather than to all this stuff changing around me and finally i just want to talk about one other powerful emotion um because we want a little bit of time for questions as well and that is the emotion of jealousy and i feel that most of us don't recognize when we're under the influence of jealousy and i think often jealousy is an emotion that has an effect on relationships as much as almost any other emotion um a negative effect on my relationships jealousy is an emotion in anticipation of losing something i value i value my relationship with you a third party comes and that party may threaten my friendship with you i value my role in an organization or whatever someone else comes who's capable i feel threatened and so without i think often consciously what happens the process of jealousy is i compare myself with others i do it unconsciously often and if others appear wiser or more popular or more capable they may threaten something i value in my life and unconsciously i begin to oppose them and in my conscious mind i have so much rationale as to why this person's not a good person i i'm so clever i've i've actually rationalized it to myself why i oppose them why i don't trust them and yet actually it's my own jealousy which i'm really under the influence of and it's a powerful emotion that can be so destructive in my relationships with others so incredibly destructive and i think that when i really look deeply you know how much influence is jealousy played in my life and often i think jealousy is the seed of so many you know breakdowns in relationships with others anyway powerful emotions are a a huge story for all of us and in a just a moment we're going to have some questions but just before we have questions i think that we're living in a time of huge change and it's triggering all our feelings and i feel whenever i'm sort of sharing these days it's so important to put a regular practice into life i know often with spirituality we love it we read the books you know we love to talk about it because that's the nature of the way we learn these days it's more an intellectual thing but spiritual learning is a completely different style of learning spiritual learning is really transformation and the learning we do at university or whatever we just know so much information we know so much about so many things all of us are quite articulate on so many different subjects spiritual learning is just taking one idea who am i and going deeper and deeper and deeper unpacking the eternal truth of who i am i am a soul i'm a point of consciousness i can never die i will always exist i'm non-physical i carry my story from my past which is overlaying and influencing my present so my habitual emotional patterns of the past are overlaying and affecting my relationships now the reason we follow a spiritual life is we don't really battle with my negative emotion but the more i become so conscious i actually start to withdraw the power of peace and the more i withdraw the power of peace the less my anger my frustration all these things have power over me the more i have a relationship a loving relationship with god then the less fear and you know grief and these sorts of emotions they start to have less power over me i don't really fight them consciously but i actually develop the awareness of who i am and the awareness of god and the old power of negative emotion loses its strength over me it does take time it wouldn't be fair to say that it just happens overnight we know because some of them are very deep and this is why really if we practice on a regular basis i think that's the message of our time and what that really means is that not that i just meditate morning and night because often i find people meditate they really feel good and then as soon as they stop meditating their thinking goes back to their old way but actually what we do here is all throughout the day as i fulfill my life's responsibilities i'm practicing soul consciousness and practicing remembering practicing the connection the more i practice it's like i step back into my self-respect i step back into that inner stability and it's really i think during this time and looking at our world it's so unpredictable it's so uncertain so i can't rely on the world out there it's not going to fulfill my desires or needs but i can establish a stable world inside it is possible it just needs some practice so i've been going on for quite a long time now and so i think a few questions have come in the chat box so you'll hear a disembodied voice of sri ram coming through so he will speak the question and om shanti uh thank you bhaji this is very beautiful um talk from you and many comments you're not sure what bhai ji means it means brother sorry thank you for that so many uh beautiful comments we got and some questions the question do certain food affect emotion yeah i mean that's a very interesting question and i would say i'm definitely not an expert in this but um you know once um i was in the headquarters of the brahma kumaris in india and there's a woman there who was there and she's actually from india but she's a colonel in the u.s army she's a surgeon actually and she was talking a lot about the effect of diet on the mind and she really feels that extreme things you know a little bit of everything is okay but too much of anything is not okay um but a lot will say that you know too much sugar and all this sort of thing can make us quite hyperactive but i would say diet has a minimal influence compared to my subconscious habits that i create and the the language we use when i perform an action and it's recorded in my subconscious it's called a sanskara so we literally have millions of millions of these subconscious sanskaras which go to make up my unique personality and sometimes i think that the soul is like an iceberg you know an iceberg 10 is above the water and 90 below so you can see some we show a little bit of ourselves but most of our cells we hide it's not seen you know our emotions our feelings our real stuff we hide beneath the surface and so that is really what has the major influence but there's no doubt um they do say that um eating a red meat diet and this sort of thing creates aggression um anger and these sorts of things so that's why in this whole journey towards a more peaceful life where we're non-violent we tread lightly in this earth to be vegetarian is a it's really an act of love for the world and love for our fellow beings in this world and it does have an effect on my emotions positively thank you thank you for that uh in your talk you talked about for the depression when we get that our psychology says uh in previous in past some things which are not has been done as i wanted so where from this comes he that i want and that expects expectation or something is not fulfilled as i want but where from that comes which particular things to be happen like this or not how we can come overcome from that my what i want to be or what i want to be seen from others i think it's because originally we were a self-contained system so just my thoughts gave me peace my thoughts gave me love my thoughts made me happy but as i lost soul power i start to look to you to give me love to this to give to me peace for this to make me happy so i would became dependent on the outcome i want you to behave in a certain way so that that makes me happy and when you don't behave in a certain way that makes me unhappy so i blame you so i've become so dependent on things external it is so deep in the human spirit to blame others even so many years on the spiritual journey people are caught up in the falsehood that you are the problem it's how i mean i know i just am amazed sometimes how these thoughts come back but it's i'm deceiving myself when i do that and that's where really what is happening when i know who i am and i have a relationship with god i realize whatever needs i want i have control over inside because i don't have control over your behavior i don't have control over the outcome of the world economy or whatever's happening and that's why people feel so powerless today and they're so sensitive to the economy and the the workplace and the family and people we're so sensitive because we have so many desires that these external things have to be a certain way to fulfill my needs i want you to behave in this way i want this to happen and we all know when it doesn't happen how do you feel do you feel angry resentful hurt frustrated disappointed [Music] and you know people with high expectations are often disappointed and no one can ever live up to their expectations and they sort of they really feel human beings are like this and this but they don't realize it's their own expectations that have made them permanently disappointed in other people will never live up to their expectations the wonderful thing i've learned in the brahma kumaris is the power of detachment and that really means that i live in this world i'm so engaged with people with life fully 110 involved but i'm non you know attached in that way so it means that if you behave well it's okay but if you don't what can i do detachment is a deep state of wisdom but it's misunderstood detachment in english sounds cut off disconnected aloof no detachment actually is the foundation of being loving a detached person can love all people because they're detached from their behaviors and their moods but it's a very high state and you know what i've noticed is when people really fall in love with god the supreme soul they become naturally detached it's not and they're just naturally uninfluenced by all the ups and downs of life it's a natural thing it's not that i'm thinking i shouldn't be affected they are naturally not affected by a lot of the stuff because their mind is engaged elsewhere wow quite wise thank you one more question coming how to control emotion emotional jealousy like competitiveness in school college and office environment yeah i mean jealousy is a huge thing in our world and i think a lot bigger than we often feel um i think it's the whole foundation of it is a lack of self-respect and um because my relationship with myself has really become dysfunctional and i believe personally the reason we have this crazy world is one reason that the relationship of me with me the first relationship in life of 7.8 billion human beings is so dysfunctional it creates the mad world we're living in you know and until we heal this first relationship it's not going to change so what happens is because i lack so much self-respect and i see someone who's clever who's talented who's popular i feel threatened and it's not conscious i compare and i feel threatened and unless i really rebuild myself value and another way of describing the spiritual journey what is the spiritual journey to rebuild and heal this relationship with myself you know to rebuild this dysfunctional relationship and make it a good relationship and then i have self-respect i don't feel threatened i live in my value and when i have self-respect and i accept myself i can accept others not only except i enjoy it when they're successful i enjoy it when they do well i think wow isn't that great but if i don't have self-respect i feel threatened by i compare i feel threatened and then this jealousy kicks in and it's the most horrible feeling isn't it this feeling of um burning with you know just that person's name whenever anyone says oh so and so you just burn inside and you know all these feelings that jealousy creates really i have to rebuild my self-respect and that is a lifetime journey that's why we come to study here and interestingly the more you create pure thoughts you have pure feelings you speak positive words you do pure actions you will like who you are you'll develop self-respect thank you uh one sister is asking what more methods you have for us to stop to stop suppressing bad feelings um it's very deep and to be frank i think when people come onto the spiritual journey the spiritual journey is one of transformation but our habit is to suppress so even when we start our spiritual journey on the surface we learn new ideas and they're acceptable and i i do change but it's not so deep and i still sometimes suppress some of my own stuff and this is why sometimes on this spiritual journey i've seen after five or ten years a lot of people a lot of rubbish comes up and then people start to think this doesn't work but it's because i my old habit of to suppress my stuff has been there and when it comes out i think i'm going backwards i think oh gosh i thought i've been practicing meditation for 10 years and look what's happening i feel i'm worse than i was before but you're not you're actually almost got enough power to really look at this stuff and um practice so i think i have to really be vulnerable with myself and one of the great wisdoms of spirituality is to be like an honest observer of the self an honest observer of the self and that is an objectivity and it's very very difficult why because most people can't see any good in themselves if i'm an honest observer of myself i'll see all this beauty i'll see all these good qualities and once i have that platform i can then be more objective about my weakness if i only see my weakness i feel hopeless and that hopelessness just makes me want to suppress it again push it's too much i'll deny it i'll keep denying it even more but an honest observer will know my value and also know my weakness but i don't feel hopeless and seeing my weakness the reason i'm here is to develop strategies to transform myself and change my weaknesses so maybe just one more question because it's 11 and we don't want to keep everyone too long then we'll just have a few minutes of meditation thank you so much one soul is asking you talked about the detachment but our detachment sometimes uh affects others so how does the how does that affect our karma it's because um in trying to be detached we become aloof we're not detached true detachment is to be extremely loving you know you can only really to be truly detached you have to be totally loving to be truly loving you have to be totally detached because you can love people in a good mood and love people in a bad mood if if i'm detached in the wrong way yeah people won't be happy because i'm sort of i'm not coping so i cut off i disconnect i withdraw i may be physically present with people but mentally i withdraw and a lot of people do that because they're not coping they sort of mentally withdraw that's not detachment at all that's not healthy the detachment we're talking about is to be extremely loving extremely caring extremely close very kind good communication but uninfluenced by i'm uninfluenced by people's moods their behaviors their attitudes their opinions because most of us just dance to the tune of other people if their mood's good my mood's good if their mood's bad we just drink it all in and then i blame you because of you i'm feeling this this this is the culture this is the human condition of today but the spiritual story says no i'm the master so if you're in a bad mood and i stay in a good mood actually my mood can often lift you out of your bad mood that's really being being detached is to be very close very loving and very caring i'm very considerate but i'm not drinking in your stuff it doesn't help people sometimes we feel we have to identify with people's sorrow to help them know you you know they often say that when a little baby is really sick a nurse can be more effective than a mother because the mother's so emotionally caught up and a nurse will just do what she has to do this sort of thing you know the nurse is still being loving and caring but it has an objectivity as well okay so as we do just like to invite everybody to enjoy a few moments of meditation i was saying i don't use the word meditation much because i think if you use the word remembering it makes it much more easy it feels easier and we often call this easy writer yoga why all i have to do is remember who i am and remember who i belong to it's that simple but where i plug into creates the quality of my life if i plug into the past if i plug into conflict in relationships if i plug into the future and the worry what's going to be my state of mind but if i plug into who i am and i plug into the one relationship that's permanent i really settle my inner world so i will just suggest a few thoughts a part of life today is powerful emotions that can influence in a split second but equally powerful are my original qualities my natural and original state is peace and to open a deep world of inner peace i just need to know and experience who i am visualize yourself as an eternal spark of life energy [Music] sitting in the center of the forehead in the front of the brain i am eternal my body is temporary i am immortal my body is mortal i am non-physical my body is physical as i begin to reconnect with my true self experience myself as a bodyless soul i taste the sweetness of true peace and in this soul conscious state i come in front of the one relationship that's permanent the relationship with the divine with god i see a radiant jewel of light an unlimited ocean of love and i just remember connect [Music] and it's like i live stream that divine love back into the core of my being this pure love this pure acceptance helps me settle inside makes me feel i belong i feel secure and all the fear of change begins to go [Music] i feel i have what i need and i let go the fear of loss the more i live my day-to-day life in the awareness of who i am and who i belong to i emerge all these original feelings of peace of love of happiness of power [Music] and the effect of my old emotions begins to diminish [Music] thank you thank you very much charlie that was just so informative and so deep and i think out of any talk i've listened to i learned the most from this because it's something that affects us every day oh thank you so much charlie so as always thanks for having me it's lovely to be with you thank you come again soon okay thank you everybody and good morning and thanks everyone in the room too om shanti47:T4d47,Masters, Masters, Masters of Change. Hello there. Welcome to Masters of Change. My name is Kim Corneo and I'm the Head of Music at the Australian National University. And I'm here with my good friend, Charlie Hogg. And Charlie is the director of the Brahma Kumaris here in Australia. Welcome, Charlie. Thank you, Kim. Well, we've been having a very nice discussion in our last episode about balance, and I think it would be nice to continue that. So we can do a real theme on becoming more balanced in our lives. And I wanted to ask the first question to you. Could you describe someone you've met who's incredibly well balanced? I can. And I tend to feel, I'm thinking of a person as I speak to you, a person who knows how much time to give to whatever is in front. And so they seem to know the needs of others, so they can tune in and they spend time with others. They seem to know when work really needs to, I really have to focus. But most of all, they seem to be able to really know what I need at any point of time. And that's an interesting one, isn't it? Because sometimes I need a little bit of solitude. Sometimes I need a little bit of company. Sometimes I have to extend myself for somebody to really help them through a situation. Sometimes I have to really lock myself away to finish work for a deadline. And I feel that I'm thinking of somebody who I found had a very responsible position, and yet she would always seem to be relaxed and seemed to do so much, but in a very easy and relaxed way. She was always sort of, and present. You know how sometimes when people are over busy, you talk to them, but they're all over the place. But if you spoke to her too, she was present for you, which I think is the secret of successful relationships, that if you've only got two minutes to talk to somebody, you actually make them your world and you actually are present so that they feel listened to, they feel validated, they feel valued. And so it's a lot of wisdom, isn't it, to just know how much time to spend on what. Charlie, you brought up something really quite profound for me in that answer, which is if we want to do a lot in life, first of all, we need to examine whether we need to do all of that in life. But if we do have to do a lot in life, we need to be sort of counterintuitive. When we're busy, it's like we have to prove how busy we are to everyone. It's like, look at me, I'm running around like a chicken with its head cut off because I'm so important. And yet what you're saying is that even when we're busy, maybe more so when we're busy, we need to slow down. Absolutely, Kim. And you know, I think maybe in one of the earlier episodes, we had a really, I found a very rich discussion about why are we so busy? Because I think that, I think for many of us there's a deep emptiness inside, a deep vacuum. And you know that it's a very uncomfortable place. And so how do we deal with it? What's the strategy? Maybe in contemporary language they call it depression. When you go into this sadness, this emptiness, just keep busy, just keep rushing and running. because it's sort of when you stop and give time, you stop the superficial stuff and you just descend into this uncomfortable place. And you don't really know how to manage that uncomfortable space. So you just go back to this rushing and running. And I honestly believe the reason we're so manic today is not really that we've got so much to do. Because I know some people with a lot of responsibility, they're still quite calm. It's because it's a strategy to deal with the discomfort I'm feeling in life. And it's a well-known fact that men who are unhappy in the home, their marriage or their family life's not happy, they lose themselves and work. And they will cleverly justify a whole lot of reasons why they're at work, why they're not at home. But the real sort of seed is the discomfort that's happening and they don't know how to manage it. So it's an escapist strategy. Charlie, this is quite interesting because I think there's a funny thing that goes on for many of us, which is that on some level we know that we can look after ourselves better and we know that this is an illusion, right? Like, well, first of all, it's easy to get the illusion or easier about, here I've got a new car and we all know that eventually the new car won't be new and we'll lose the joy of it. but the illusion of being important and busy is maybe a little bit harder because it's sort of glamorous, isn't it? It is a bit glamorous. But in the heart of it, we know that it can appear selfish to care for ourselves. Yeah. And others might think we're being a little bit selfish by doing this. So I wanted to... I think this is the heart of our episode today. How do we actually care for ourselves without thinking that we're going to be selfish? Yeah, I think that, you know, I went to a Christian school. I was educated at a Christian school. And quite honestly, I think there was a subtle or not so subtle message we were given that life means to give to others, which is a beautiful thing. But in losing that sort of giving to the self, so to speak, in denial of really helping myself. And I think it's not an uncommon thing that if I spend time to care for me, I feel a bit guilty. I feel a bit self-absorbed. So I do, do, do, rush, rush, run, help, help, help. But at the end of it, I feel absolutely wasted and unhappy. So all we saying is that there a balance here It not selfish to care for myself Actually it the opposite It's the greatest wisdom because investing in me will automatically invest in my family and work. Because if I wake up and I nurture my heart, nurture my mind, care for my conscience, then when I step back into the family, I'm a very sweet person. But if I, and you know what it's like if I come home from a difficult day and I feel a bit irritable, frustrated, and then I splatter that all over my family members, it damages my family life, and deep down I feel really bad about it. I might be externally angry, but deep down I'm angry at myself. You know, so it's not selfish. And I think in the spiritual practice, it's something I've got to realise actually, it's absolute common sense. Really what you're saying to us, Charlie, is it's the opposite. It's actually selfish not to care for ourselves. If we don't care for ourselves, we're being selfish because we're holding up some funny version of ourselves. Maybe it's overly precious or it's a low self-esteem, but there's something that's not quite right that enables us to allow ourselves to get hurt. and then when we most need our energy there's none left. So I'm going to ask you to help me with a little role play Charlie. I'm going to pick up my water which is my daily energy and I'm going to get you to say the word busy and each time I'm going to take a sip. So please. Busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy. Now could you ask me for a glass of water? Oh I'm sorry Charlie, I have no water left. And it seems to me... Very good, Kim. This is what we do, isn't it? It is. So we are spending our essence, we are spending our inner bank account every day, if we're not careful. And then when we meet those who most need access to it, they're just getting the little drips at the end of the glass. It's so sad. It is sad, isn't it? Yes, I mean, Kim, as we've been talking, I think the whole notion of spirituality is this wonderful education about me. And that when I function well, I'm a wonderful being in this world to give. And, you know, so spending time, I love what you said, spending time for me is actually the opposite of selfishness because you'll be such a wonderful parent or partner or child or whatever and you'll be a wonderful colleague too because you've actually, you know, you've really looked what I need and you're filling in the gaps in yourself and learning about yourself. So I think it's a really important thing to really look at this belief inside my head that if I'm not sort of always doing things for others, that it's a selfish notion because it actually makes you have nothing left to give to the people you really want to give, just like you drink all the water. Same thing. Now, Charlie, one thing you talk about very nicely is it's sort of like checking in as our own inner doctor. And you use the term, which I find really inspiring, taking our inner pulse. So I'm going to ask you, could you talk us through how you would suggest us to check our inner pulse now? Yeah. You know, Kim, what I do in the mornings, just maybe to tell you a little bit of my routine, I wake up very early, like about 3.30am. Now I'm not expecting all of you out there to do this. I'm just sort of sharing my routine and I have a little cup of tea. But I'm sort of preparing myself really to meet my beloved, so to speak. And I just love to sit so simply, so quietly. And I just love to withdraw and just become the eternal seed. you know, the soul, and resonate on that incredibly still, calm, centered, content frequency. You know, just, I then feel loved by God. And once I've done that, sometimes I begin to then sort of look at some of the practical stories going on in my life. And I just really feel I'm in a state of self-respect. I'm in a state of objectivity. And I really can make decisions about my life, where to put energy, where to put time, what I need to change, even sometimes how I need to respond to a person a bit differently this time. So I often feel I'm sort of tweaking my inner world and learning. And even I find if there's a problem, I always find that if a problem comes up and you think about it on the spot and you're not in a really great state of mind, you don't get a good solution. But in the early morning, with that detached objectivity and that sense of peace and the love of the divine, I feel I can work through a good solution for a problem, whether it's within me or within somebody else. So I would say the foundation of a day is the early morning. It's almost like that's where I serve myself. The rest of the day I serve the family in my workplace, and I do that with a full heart because my heart has become full in the early morning. Now, that's maybe theoretical because obviously there's different things that happen in life, but I would really encourage anyone who's listening that often we think, oh, I've got this problem, this is happening, we just can't stop thinking about it. But if I put a structure in my day to move forward spiritually, To me what really works is when spirituality is not just a hobby or a discipline. I put a little structure, it's like it becomes a lifestyle. I'll build it into my life to sustain me and therefore basically sustain all the responsibilities I have too. Charlie, in the past you've talked about that spiritual fitness leads to mental fitness, leads in some ways also to physical fitness, that when we look after our spiritual selves inevitably we want to look after all the aspects of ourselves So you do get up earlier than most people But I have just a really practical question If my lifestyle says I really can get up at 4 or even 5 maybe not even 6 will I still get a benefit starting at 7am with meditation? You know Kim, I always remember Dadi Prakashmini, who was the head of the Brahma Kumaris. She was in Australia once and she met a lot of actors and musicians. And I said, oh, Daddy, we have to work until midnight. You know, that's when our work is. She said, no problem. Whenever you wake up, make it your practice to have a proper meditation. So whether it's at 4 a.m., 6 a.m., 8 a.m., rather than just rushing into the day once again so my mind is not prepared with the right vibration for the day, I give, I meditate, and I would say also a little bit of study. I think that you need to sort of have some stimulation spiritually for your thinking. So that structure is really important, I feel. So you would mean engaging with the wisdom of great spiritual teachers. Is that what you would mean? Yeah. I mean, every day I listen to the versions which we have in the Brahma Kumaris and all our centers around the world. I would read that and that always makes me reflect. And I have one or two themes for myself through the day. And sometimes just one sentence just triggers and it's building and it's building all the day. because I think that's, you know, I've noticed, Kim, that, you know, how the mind wanders into wasteful and negative areas. And I find that if I keep this little sort of bubbling thinking about a spiritual subject, it sustains me, you know, rather than us starting to analyze what so-and-so said, process what happened in this meeting or situation, where we over-process everything. I think we overanalyse. Actually, analysis is brilliant, but it should really take a few seconds. But we will go over and over. It's like a rusty record. We go over and over and over again justifying a state of mind or position I've held or the reason I reacted and trying to prove to myself that I was right often. Yes. Well, it's like we have an experiment and we get addicted to the experiment. We do. So the experiment is, what happens when I have this conflict? And then I seem to have forgotten that it doesn't go very well for me, so I do it again, and I do it again. But why do we do these things? It's sort of like we're walking down a pathway, we see a hole in front of us, and we're ready to step around it and we still fall into it. So why do we do that, Charlie? Well, this is, I think, a very interesting subject, Because in the soul, Kim, we have the mind that receives the information, the intellect assessing the information. But we have our sanskaras, which is like our subconscious. So we've developed our own hard programming, basically. So, you know, in psychology they say do something 20 times, it becomes a habit. So someone does something, you get irritated. They do it 10 times, 15, 20 times. And almost before they do it, you've already decided you're irritated and you keep falling down the hole rather than, you know. And so we have numerous addictive habits and behaviours that keep, I often think they overlay on my present. You know, I wake up in the morning, I do my meditation, but sometimes that habit's pretty strong. it overlays and I say something nasty or I get really hurt by what you said. And so I keep falling back into my old programming. This is actually the deep work of spiritual life. Almost what we're doing is reprogramming ultimately my sanskara so that if someone insults me I don't take sorrow. If something goes wrong I let it go. Rather than my ego saying You know, you can't say that to me, so I justify I'm going to hit back at you. You know, but they've made a mistake and I make an equal mistake. You know, Charlie, that might be one of the best advertisements for meditation I've ever heard. Because really what you're saying is there is a free solution for most of us. And of course some people have significant mental health issues and they'll need, you know, significant support. But for most of us, what you're saying is that we can achieve huge, huge benefit through regular meditation and this of taking the spiritual pulse. And if we want to, we can take the physical pulse while we're taking the spiritual pulse. I mean, it's almost too good to be true, isn't it? There's something that doesn't require medication, that doesn't require us giving our power over to someone else, that literally just requires us to be fully present with ourself and God, if we can go to that step, and that things will inevitably get better. How come this isn't on the front page of every newspaper, Charlie? Well, it's the culture of the world, isn't it, Kim, that because of lack of self-respect, we feel to be productive. I have to rush, rush, produce, be out front, be noticed, be recognized, you know, because I sort of am building up an external identity, whereas I think when you rebuild your internal identity, all that comes into perspective because it's all very temporary, you know. You build up your image, you build up that. But in this world, people will pull you down and then we get so frustrated and angry and hurt and all these sorts of things. And that's where I think that the more I really take time for myself, have this incredibly deep understanding. As you said, Kim, it's not selfish. In fact, it's selfish not to give time. it's selfish for your family because you will be a much better person all those sort of things you know once I heard a quote from John Lennon He said something like life is something that happens while you busy making plans Yes. Remember that quote? I do it, except for a sound teaching. Yeah. And that's what we often do, planning this, planning that. But I'm not happy while I'm doing it. What about now? What about investing in how I feel now rather than hoping, well if I do this, if I do that, if I get this job, if I make this money, if I buy this house, I will be happy. It will never, ever, ever happen. You know Charlie, I have another John Lennon quote. I want to match you with my love of John Lennon. I'm just sitting watching the wheels go round and round. Isn't that beautiful? So on some level, this to me as an artist, I say that meditation is so profound. sometimes the joy of looking in nature, which is the ultimate artwork, or the joy of looking at a beautiful painting or listening to a beautiful piece of music. These things can also help us, can't they, Charlie? They can, yeah. They can, definitely. So I think it's that time, the time I most look forward to, where we meditate together. So dear friends, Charlie will lead us on a balancing, beautiful meditation, exposing that there's nothing selfish in self-care. Let me sit quietly and consciously step back from distractions, from the thought, I have to do, I have to do. And let me open the thought, I'm going to be. The more I'm being peaceful, the more I'm being loving the more I'm being kind this being will flow into all my doing and make my doing rich and meaningful and so to become the master of being I have to give time to me what does that mean? it means to sit quietly in the early morning or when I get time and put a full stop to analyzing myself, analyzing others, analyzing situations and outcomes around me and begin with the realization I'm going to take power during this time. And to take power, all I need to do is feed my mind with healthy thoughts and pure thoughts. Pure thoughts are like energy that makes me feel happy and peaceful. The purest thoughts are the thoughts of self-awareness. and this is a lifelong education to realize and experience that I am the eternal soul and to really feel the love and belonging of my eternal parent and when I learn the art of self-realization and also experiencing myself in love with one my heart is full my mind is peaceful my conscience is clear and I step into each day with a fullness some spiritual treasures that I've gathered and throughout the day whomever I come in touch with Through my face, through my eyes, through my vibrations, I enrich the atmosphere. Om Shakti Thank you, Charlie. Once again, when you say Om Shanti, there's a whole teaching in there that if we are to be balanced, if we are to care for ourselves, it starts with a simple realization that I am beyond this body. I have an eternal self. that eternal self is pure, that you, whoever you are, whatever your life has been so far, you have the same right as Charlie and I and Shivani and everyone to be happy. Isn't that incredible? We all have this right and responsibility to be happy. So Charlie and I, we ask you as your brothers to take the time to care for yourself. Thank you Charlie. Thanks again Kim, wonderful, thank you.48:T8e89,21 master classes in new consciousness new ways of thinking being and doing for the new you pioneering thinkers from countries right around the world [Music] hello i'm shanti and welcome to today's masterclass one of 21 masterclasses in new consciousness a whole series looking at new ways of thinking of being and of doing in today's rapidly changing world now of course all of us are doing our best to try and observe all the current regulations that are there for our physical safety to keep us safe but are we equally attentive to the spiritual laws that operate to help us feel calm and protected and safe from within well one of the consequences of the coronavirus lockdown is that we've all of us had more time time to sit with ourselves to sit with our own thoughts and whether that has been a stressful and distressing experience for you or whether it's actually been a positive experience one thing is for certain and that is that questions will have come up for you questions about maybe how you used to live your life before the the lockdown maybe questions around how you want to change your life going forwards and some people may have had questions arising as to who they are when they sit with themselves or possibly even around what is it that we experience when we sit in quiet contemplation there's very often a sense of there being a beautiful and profound experience that feels like it's part of us in some way but also feels like it's something other like we're tapping into some other kind of energy source and that's our theme for today we're looking at the real support the eternal source now all of our speakers in this series are students and teachers of the brahma kumaris world spiritual university and as that name suggests it's a university for the spirit it's a place for learning about the self for understanding the soul it's an organization that has teaching centers in over 110 countries right across the world and has an active presence in even more countries than that it was founded in india in 1936 when a series of visions and teachings came through kind of almost from beyond came through the original founder brahma baba and he decided quite early on um that he was going to put women very much to the fore and so the brahma camaris is now the largest organization of its kind that is led by women but the teachings that came through back in 1936 felt then and feel very much now as if they are relevant to this transitional phase that we're going through this period of profound and rapid change [Music] so today we're going to be taking a deep dive into the divine and of course it was inevitable at some point in this series of master classes that we would be turning to this subject we've looked already at questions of um the self understanding the self how to take ourselves into a beautiful experience so that we can really feel the original qualities of the self we can feel that quality of peace of love of happiness and maybe even of bliss but research has consistently shown that people do admit to having a sense of something greater than themselves that there is some power beyond themselves that that they experience and whether you call that the source of guidance you might refer to it as a guardian angel you might feel it to be maybe a spirit guide you might see it as being some sort of eternal spirit or being that is is there for you guiding you helping you feel protected what exactly is that so today we want to really look into that question and try and answer for ourselves what that means to us and our guide on this journey is someone who has truly walked the path of creating new consciousness um his name is charlie hogg he's from five docks in sydney australia where he is the national coordinator for the brahma kumaris coordinating the work of over 40 centers throughout australia uh charlie also travels extensively around the world he's very much in demand as a speaker he's been to over 80 countries now sharing insights and wisdom from his own spiritual journey and in fact charlie was one of the very first westerners that encountered the brahma camaris back in 1975 when he was off on his travels through asia through the middle east and through europe and he ended up in london and it was there that he met a real powerhouse of a yogi a woman who had been involved with the brahma camaris right from the very beginning back in 1936 1937 her name was daddy janke and she went on to become the spiritual head of the brahma commarus until she died in march 2020 not that long ago at the age of 104 so charlie welcome so much to master classes thank you for being with us thank you so much philippa it's really lovely to be with you now it must have been quite a strange encounter with daddy janky because she hadn't left india before it was her first time abroad she hadn't really met westerners and on top of that she had had um sort of decades of being in silence and meditation and then suddenly she comes across this no doubt sort of hairy hippie type who was asking her questions what was that experience of meeting daddy janky like for you [Music] you know it's um quite vivid in my mind because i had been traveling for a few years in southeast asia in india in the middle east in africa and you know i was on a search like so many of us um and i realized after a while it really was my inner journey my inner search and i lived with buddhists and hindus and yogis and muslims during ramadan and christians i think all the major paths and a big question came for me how do you really experience whether it's god or in meditation and when i saw daddy jenki immediately i could see on her face that she was experiencing something it just glowed through her eyes and her face so that that really touched me and it was like a message to me i want some of this myself so had you really had quite a an in-depth experience of other ways of looking at god and understanding god through your travels and through your explorations you know um i grew up in melbourne and i would say my family wasn't a religious family at all um though they sent me off to be confirmed when i was 12 years old you know how families are and when i did my confirmation classes i remember my parents asking what have you learned and i announced to the family i think i'm an atheist because i found it at that very young age obviously an immature mind but the god at least i was presented with at that time and maybe it was my perception was a very authoritarian judgmental sort of punishing personality and i couldn't really connect with it but as i began to travel my journey across the world living in religious communities i began to say i'm an agnostic i'm open but i really just don't know you know who is god i was really open to learning about god if you think though of the journey of most westerners and you if you look at our history in europe and you know many of our great nations the whole quest for understanding god has been a massive source of conflict people have lost their lives thousands and thousands of lives in this pursuit of this understanding so it's no wonder in a way that we have this reticence when we come to this whole subject of trying to understand god because somewhere in our psyche it doesn't feel safe to really explore or even openly discuss what we feel yes it's um probably the biggest question in history really and i remember once i was in bombay and a professor of religion told me that something like 75 of all wars were begun they were religious wars and you know for me personally in my own journey actually i really love the faith but for me to really connect with god i had to separate religion from god because sometimes i used to feel that religions had been like the advertised advertising agencies for god you know and the image which at least me and for my education where i was sitting the image i received wasn't a very positive image and so later on i realized when i became an atheist it wasn't just it was really rejecting religion rather than rejecting god i feel and i feel so many of us in the western world are a little bit like that it's actually the institutions representing god that people have a little bit of difficulty with and that's why we throw everything out together and i think i'm i was a bit like that it is also really when it comes to understanding the nature of the divine there really is quite a smorgasbord on offer of different ways of understanding if if i just go through the different approaches on the one hand we've got the position of atheism which is that there is no god we then have the position of pantheism which is that god is everywhere god is around us you know in in in all places we then have pan and theism which is that god is in all matter god is in every particle is is in every tree every atom and therefore god is in us as well and then we have all the um different ideas around monotheism which is you know around god being love around god being light around god being someone who is all knowledgeable who can kind of cast thunderbolts and and make things happen and intervene in human activity so how would you advise someone who is really questioning and wanting to explore and discover this how do you navigate through all of these very different ways of seeing god what's a good place to start you know i think each one of us is on our own journey and perhaps my own experience is fairly typical in one sense that i began as an atheist as i traveled i became an agnostic i was really open but definitely confused by everything and it was really when i reached london that um i really wanted to meditate i really wanted to practice something and in my meditation i had an experience and i had an incredible experience of connection with god with the divine and i felt just absorbed in a purity of love that i can't describe and that was just such a unique experience for me it just inspired me to explore more and so i think you can only say that try to move through all the intellectual you know gravity that seems to hold you down so many ideas and step into your own practice and try to experience god for yourself because when i was able to do that it really motivated me to go deeper and deeper and explore this relationship but how did you know that what you were experiencing was the divine and and not just an aspect of your own higher consciousness or or not just maybe a guardian angel or or you know your mother who or some relative who died who's looking down on you and giving you an experience what was it about that that made you really feel that you were connecting with the divine source yeah it's a really lovely question because i was offered two ideas to practice one was to experiment with myself as an eternal soul a minute spark of life energy that sits in the front of the brain that's me the permanent self and i sit in the body the temporary self and i actually found that the more i could step back and withdraw in a sense from my temporary identity and step into my permanent self and then look through the eye of the mind to meet the supreme there was such a sense of connection a sense of relationship a sense of belonging and i suppose nothing i can't prove but my experience of love was i would say the pinnacle experience of my life this this purity of union which i feel is in the dna of the human spirit and i feel that we we search for this even in our relationships with each other which i did like everybody but i tasted a union i tasted a connection i tasted a relationship that was so profoundly life-changing for me that i've been on this journey ever since and you know looking at myself now i could have never imagined it to be very honest that that i would really be um if i can say in love with god that god is my lover and uh and this is the experience that i enjoy virtually you know every morning of my life every day of my life would you say that it's almost a part of the process that you have to go through where you almost have to act as if something were true you have to momentarily suspend your disbelief possibly and be prepared to enter into the possibility of there being something there and even though it might feel foolish or you might feel silly just try and see what happens if you reach out and either talk or pray or or do whatever comes naturally to you but have the intention of making some kind of connection and just see what comes from that yes i think that's you know fairly true in a way to me there's like three steps there's the knowing the believing and the experiencing and actually when i learned this idea was offered this idea that i'm the eternal soul and quite a clear introduction of the self it rang true you know when an intuitive truth just it hits home and even the idea that i'm a soul that's taken birth and rebirth i've reaped the fruits of my actions i know happiness and sorrow but there is a soul out there that's beyond that game of happiness and sorrow and in a sense you can say meditation or this this relationship with god is connecting with that soul and often i remember once someone in europe told me a psychologist that they did an experiment about telepathy and she and a friend they kept little books in their pockets and whenever they thought of each other they wrote it down they'd synchronize watches and 70 were accurate you know our thoughts have an energy our thoughts are instant and what i why i'm saying this is it's not that i'm just believing in some sort of concept there's an actual real connection but in saying that you have to experiment because the first step is to know the second step is to believe the next 998 steps are educating myself how to transform that knowing into a rich feeling inside which is really like a that relationship or that sense of connection and belonging a real sense that yes i'm in union with god you're talking about god or the divine whatever word you're using as a soul and that for some people might be quite a strange concept because whilst we're used to thinking of ourselves as a soul that there is something that survives when we die and is reborn or whatever happens to think of god as being a soul seems a little bit strange how is god different from us in terms of being a soul what what are the things that make us different rather than being the same you know actually that's what really resonated with me because i don't know all the concepts of god being everywhere or being beyond i just found it hard to get my head around but when i experienced myself as a permanent being a beingness live before and after this body and when i sort of learned that i i perform action and i carry my story and my subconscious then i got a clear picture of me but god is a soul too that really i could relate to completely because instantly there was some sort of commonality and i think the most intrinsic thing to the human psyche is to want to belong is to want to connect is to want to have relationship and so that relationship developed with god as a soul and it just that sense of affinity and god doesn't take birth and rebirth like me god remains eternally unblemished clean and pure is like a benchmark shall we say and that even though we go through our story of taking birth and rebirth and seem to accumulate the game of happiness and sorrow god is beyond that and the more i connect in a sense i begin to take my power back when i connect with god as a soul it's like a union an absorption of my mind so is would you say god is a conscious thinking being that creates thoughts that that almost has some kind of divine personality absolutely to me god is you know you can only love someone who's lovable and if god is sort of a thing and it how can you really connect how can you really relate because that's how it's saying i think the human spirit relationship is so intrinsic to a quality life and at the moment our relationships are so challenging for a whole host of reasons but this is a real living relationship which i'm having it's something which i find is you know absolutely real so in some ways i'm getting this sense as you're speaking of a bit like this the role that the sun plays in our universe the sun stays still and everything moves around the sun and is constantly changing and in a way from what you're saying the divine god is the point that is unchanging around which everything else is swirling absolutely and that also you know i suppose we're all on our own journey but that felt incredibly comfortable to me and that i found that when i lay the platform of my life in a connection a relationship with that which always exists no matter how much the world changes around me i can keep my stability especially at this time and i found that when i attach my heart to anything or anyone temporary then that fear of loss and change comes in and in a way spirituality is exploring and it is a big change but i've been exploring for many years a relationship with myself as an eternal soul a relationship with god who's the supreme soul and no matter how much life changes that is constant that is eternally there and i think it just it's like a platform that you can build a stable life on those two things as the whole world moves around me i don't see it as my imagination to me it's a very real experience do you have any practical examples because you talked about experiencing this this connection on on a daily basis every morning and throughout the day but in what way is this dovetailing with your life as it's lived moment by moment with all the ups and downs and challenges and upheavals how do you use that experience that relationship to actually help you in your real lived life yes and i i think that's where it really works because you know up until recently i would always especially when i talked about this say that i'm meditating and meditation is to focus on god but now i use the word remember and why because sometimes i think even for a lot of us today even meditation seems like hard work you know coercing your mind into a position but actually the most natural thing to human consciousness is to remember and what i'm exploring is that when you remember god this beautiful radiant light and in that light is an unlimited ocean of love and peace and purity and truth once you connect you're instantly influenced and then you download it's like you live stream that energy into the sacred space of your mind and so as you go about your life you carry these feelings and in the same way if you remember a family member instantly you connect and if the relationship's good you feel good and you download into the sacred space of your mind good feelings but if you're going through that conflict that difficult relationship you download a negative energy an uncomfortable energy and what i'm seeing is that constantly the subtle thread of my intellect keeps connecting with the past and people and situations so i download this low vibration into my mind and i don't feel good and what i'm exploring is to keep the subtle thread with the divine like my lover like my friend and the more i do it it's like i'm under that influence even though i'm still dealing and managing the things around me in my life and i often ask the question if you're not feeling good if you don't feel happy if you're feeling insecure or anxious there's one question to ask what am i remembering what am i plugging the subtle thread of my intellect into and what i've learned here is the more i educate myself to plug in to the divine to god and move about my life i'm under that influence and i can keep those lovely feelings in the sacred space of my mind no matter what's happening around me and that isn't a selfish thing because i as you know the more you feel good you spread a perfume into the atmosphere you you create a vibe around you that's very interesting because this analogy of tuning into someone who you know and feeling their energy you're saying that the same can happen with the divine that there there is there is a vibration and energy that is accessible and attainable because i think for a lot of people especially those of us that have grown up in a western tradition we're used to that experience of the divine being mediated via a third party whether it be a priest or a guru or a saint or a holy person it's okay for them to have these experiences because they're holy but it's not for the likes of me just a mere mortal to tap into that experience of god and yet you're saying actually anybody can anybody can and you know i remember once philippa i was um in a temple and i just was observing you know that sort of human nature we see an image of god or oh god you're so great and i'm so you know this sort of low impure weak and i it just dawned on me so deeply how i've inbuilt this incredible inferiority to god how can i ever really have a relationship or feel close and what i've learned actually it should be the opposite that in almost all religions they say we're children of god a child has a right and so when i really have the self-respect to sit in front of god it's my right to have this relationship and this relationship has an extraordinary healing power my own experience is that no matter how sort of weak and vulnerable and anxious you feel when the connection connects if i can say and you start to come under that influence it's like it the healing the life comes back into the self the self respect naturally grows to me you can go to the libraries there's a million books on how to get my sense of self value back the most powerful way is to taste and feel the love of god the soul's lover and it's an amazing feeling i don't have to be religious i don't have to do all that stuff actually i just have a natural relationship of the soul with the parent soul so this aspect of self-worth and self-respect and guilt and feeling that i've done bad things in my life uh i'm not actually worthy i'm not good enough you know all of this sense of of you know why would god be interested in me i mean look at me i'm a mess i'm a mess and yet you can get through that and there is an experience on the other side if you persist that you can connect with absolutely and you know um one of my biggest lessons has been i had an experience in my early days of meditating or remembering where i i began to see how i saw myself so clearly it was so low you know that ingrained critical negative vision and all the stuff of the past but i had an experience that god's vision was here and in a way my duty is to step into that vision because that vision is actually the reality my vision is of a temporary vision on myself to me the biggest obstacle in coming close to god is this ingrained negative critical vision of lack of self-respect where i i can't see any value in myself at all so that sense of inferiority doesn't ena enable me to experience the that connection and feel that love i don't feel worthy to be loved and often i say to people if you really want to explore this connection wake up early in the morning and sit in silence and sit in front of god that beautiful form of light and just allow yourself to be loved and what is wisdom wisdom is observing where do i block this love i'm in front of perfect love it's real where do i block it and with wisdom i observe where i block it and if i remove those blocks that love can do magic of self-transformation absolute magic for many people i think possibly the baby's been thrown out with the bath water when they look at the state of the world and they see the enormity of human suffering that's going on of environmental catastrophe that is unfolding and of course in australia you've had all the forest fires that have been going on all the the death and destruction that came from that and there is this question that comes up in people's minds of you know how can there be a loving protecting guiding principle behind the universe when all of these things happen i i'm wondering what what the the balance is between our the consequence of our own actions as individuals and and whether god is actually allowing all of this suffering how do you square that [Music] you know i think it's some such a big question in so many people's minds but you know what i feel is that you know when we look at what is happening around the world at the moment i don't think it's god's you know responsibility it's not that god is really performing these are the results of our actions and i feel that you know i am responsible for my actions but i feel that really god's creation if you can see is the transformation of the human spirit because when the human spirit changes i think that will influence everything and my experience at the moment is that we're at this extraordinary confluence if one way you can put on a lens and see this destructive world that just seems to be careering into chaos and mayhem on the other hand wherever i've been in the world and this can be you know in new york or london or somewhere or villages in asia or africa there's groups of people coming together who are seeing that the world out there is a result of our world and they're starting to take responsibility that when maybe i have a connection and i change me i'm contributing to a better world so to me i've never sort of found the idea that god is responsible for what happens here we perform actions we rip the free to reap the fruit of our actions but if i remember god that influences the seeds of my actions those thoughts become elevated thoughts of the seeds of actions i start to be much kinder much more loving to people around me and people who don't agree with me people have a different view it's okay you know i really bring my connection with god into my action so if we extrapolate from what you're saying this kind of breakdown that we're witnessing of so many structures within um our societies that we're striving and reaching out for something new that will rise up on the other side of all of this that our experience of the divine and how we use that experience to change us that in itself will bring about the change that our hearts are so longing to see absolutely you know i think philippa that what we're seeing out there that the the really fastly changing and even many would feel degrading world the seed of it is the relationship of 7.5 billion human souls with themselves that relationship has become unfortunately so unhealthy and so if the first relationship in life is so unhealthy the way we treat ourselves how will i treat others how will i treat society how will i treat the environment until that relationship is repaired i think nothing is going to change out there and spirituality really says yes begin to sit in silence look at this relationship learn to be kind and gentle learn to experience who you are and take power from this relationship with the divine to begin to change yourself and heal because i think when i respect myself i can respect others i can respect society i can respect the environment and to me this is god's creation to heal this first relationship in life and i think so many people i meet i really have come to that conclusion that the mayhem out there is just a reflection of the mayhem inside the human mind the collective human mind of 7.5 billion souls at the moment sometimes i call it the thought soup you know we live in this thought soup just imagine seven and a half billion souls pumping out thoughts and i really feel for everybody because the big question now what's going to happen so much anxiety and we're absorbing this thought soup we're all absorbing it and it's just making us all feel so uneasy and if i can actually step out of it and start to remember god remember the divine that's all i have to do remember this light and feel that connection and download live stream that sweet energy into me it's like my light bulb starts to come and then i touch another and you touch another and we start to touch each other and light starts to come back and i feel as much as we can see the world going in that direction at the same time it seems a lot of light is emerging as well you know so many people even in the last month i found so many people really questioning and starting to explore more deeply what is happening inside of me what do i need to do and even open to the idea of a relationship with god so i wonder if that is possibly a silver lining to this whole experience that there is a correlation between feeling some pain some discomfort um some suffering even that we almost have to hit the bottom of the barrel and and reach a place where we're desperate enough to look outside of ourselves and be open to reaching out to something and i'm wondering if that could be a message for someone who's who's listening to this who really feels like they are in a very dark place that they have possibly lost their job they've possibly lost loved ones that that somehow from this experience of loss and and desperation that can be a springboard it's almost like a a road bump that jolts you out of your everyday life and you can use that experience to question and go more deeply than you might ever have done otherwise you know i think you express that so beautifully because you know we're we're funny we're creatures of habit we're in this sort of incredibly routine sort of you know rat race and so many times we question you know why am i involved in this i want peace i want silence but now we're having the peace and silence i think it's a bit scary in some ways because the busyness the distractions has a purpose it stops me from looking deep who am i really and what is really important in life and it is a bit scary it is a bit income uncomfortable but if i have the courage to sit with that question i think you know if you explore your permanent self the soul and just open you know a relationship with god might not be my thing but why not explore and see whether this might be a lifeline that out of this whole sort of drama happening in the world at the moment the time of lockdown i may explore a whole new way of seeing myself and a whole new lens on what is really important in life so i think you put it beautifully there's a silver lining in what is happening spiritually but what is so interesting is that up until this point it's been individuals who have been going through their individual grieving process or or journey of loss whether it be through you know illness or bereavement or or some personal loss but what's happening at the moment is that it's a it's a global phenomenon it's happening in countries right around the world and i wonder what you feel the consequence of this global experience might be going into the future [Music] you know it's um very hard to say but i i'm sure the world will be a different place um but i do feel so many people are really asking that big question what is really important and maybe to go in this silent time this time of quite to go back to the basics you know what is the purpose of life and to me you know to know who i am and to really build loving relationships with others in the divine this is really what a quality of life is and often we get so sidetracked with limited desires and so on so i think that i think there's a lot of benefit coming out of this scenario how it will emerge into the future it's anyone's guess at the moment but my sense is it's going to become more and more unstable our world and so it's more and more important for us to develop some practice to develop some sort of inner stability and to me inner stability is to know my permanent self and to know the divine and when those two pieces of the jigsaw are there they're solid in my view they're solid and so as the world shakes you can remain stable and your stability will support so many people your stability just by being who you are you don't even have to say anything just by being in your self-respect experiencing who you are and having that loving connection it creates a vibration and i feel that if you know we can play that part into the future i think it's a beautiful beautiful part to play in life well that feels to me like the perfect point to just take a pause and actually go into an experience of what it is that you're talking about here this this idea of there being something in this world of change that is unchanging that is eternal that we can gonna in a sense hang our hat on it and know that it will be there so charlie if you could just lead us uh into a few moments of of meditation just to to round off our conversation for today that would be really perfect thank you so i'd really love to thank you philippa it's been so lovely talking to you me sitting at night time in sydney and you in the morning in london but i'd really love to invite all those who are listening to you know maybe put things down and sit quietly just for these few moments and i'm just going to offer a few thoughts that may open me to the connection with the divine let me sit quietly [Music] in this silence visualize your permanent self the soul [Music] a tiny spark of life energy [Music] that sits in the front of the brain in the center of the forehead just very gently feel yourself withdrawing stepping back from all the labels your body represents [Music] your gender your nationality your profession [Music] and just feel yourself sitting so lightly in the forehead beyond all the labels of your body i the peaceful soul [Music] just feel the speed of your mind cooling down [Music] and this fragrance this incredibly sweet fragrance of a mind at rest fuels my inner world [Music] and in this so conscious state i come in front of the light of the divine [Music] through the eye of your mind visualize a radiant jewel of light the supreme soul an unlimited source of peace of love of purity in power [Music] just focus [Music] naturally towards this beautiful light and absorb your mind [Music] and allow yourself to be completely loved [Music] just feel this divine love emanating radiating and feel it entering the core of your being become like a small child so open feel this love healing me caressing me and the more i feel with this pure love [Music] i feel so still so silent i feel full i have what i need [Music] in my mind feels like a sweet perfume of silence and love and my mind radiates this to all my brothers and sisters in the world my human family struggling with this present situation [Music] this connection with the divine is only a thought away at any moment all i have to do is remember the radiant jaw the ocean of love and as soon as i connect i come under that influence and everything is okay [Music] if each morning i wake i sit quietly i reconnect with my true self and then connect with the divine just watch how your life changes [Music] to do this regularly is an act of love for myself [Music] thank you thank you so much charlie that was absolutely beautiful and i love the thought that a feeling of connection with the divine is simply a thought away and you have certainly given us so much to go away and think about and i really hope that our conversation our master class conversation today will act as a catalyst to to keep you thinking and keep exploring and keep experiencing what is possible when we have this intention that we actually want to open up and experience what is there and what is there for me in this time in this difficult time for all of us that perhaps there is a source of eternal power and strength in these difficult times charlie i thank you so much for your time and i wish you and and all the work that you're doing in australia all the best as we move forwards and it would be lovely to connect with you again one day soon but for now thank you so much for being with us thank you so much philipper it was a delight thank you wonderful and thank you to you for for tuning in and being part of of this energy that we've created here today in in today's master class i really hope you've enjoyed it and that you'll join us again tomorrow as we take another deep dive into another one of our master classes in new consciousness until then take care look after yourself keep safe i'm shanty and goodbye [Music] 21 master classes in new consciousness new ways of thinking being and doing for the new you pioneering thinkers from countries right around the world [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] awakening to a new way of living49:T4c33,Hello there. My name is Kim Corneo and I'm the head of music at the Australian National University. And I'm here with my good friend, Charlie Hogg, who's the director of the Brahma Kumaris in Australia. And we are having a series of spiritual conversations. Hello again, Charlie. Hello, Kim. Nice to be here. Look, it's lovely to be with you in these conversations. We've been doing it in like, I guess you'd say little mini series where we spend five or six episodes on a theme and we're on part two of a very interesting theme of communication. And so I'd like to ask you before we go on to some specific parts of it, why communication? Why is this so important to us, Charlie? Kim, I feel it's sort of at the heart of relationship. And when you really look at life, what is life? Life is relationship, and what is relationship? We're constantly communicating. And, you know, if communication isn't so good, it affects my relationships with others, my performance at work. each and every aspect of my life because it's sort of my ability to convey not just an idea but who I am to another individual, sort of the feeling of yourself as well as a concept or an idea that you're trying to pass on to another. Now Charlie, does this apply to all stages in life? Do you think we can work on this even when we're a child or an older person? Absolutely, Kim. I really do. I think that, you know, I think the beauty of life is when I feel I have rich, sustainable, loving relationships. How much is communication a part of that? And, you know, sometimes it's me being able to try to, you know, communicate ideas. And sometimes we're not good at that because, you know, there's a person here in Sydney whom I think you may know, Hugh Mackay, and he talks about the injection myth, you know, that when we communicate with others, sort of have the idea, it's like I type an email in my brain and I just press it and it goes, pop, into Kim's brain, you know. And then you may not accept that idea or you react to that idea and we can't believe it because we forget that whenever you communicate, you know, you're communicating to another person and it goes through all their filters of their experiences, their mood, their past, their culture, a whole series of filters that basically distort your message. And that's why I always feel that words can easily be distorted, but usually feelings will have a very powerful impact. Oh, Charlie, that's very inspiring to me. So really what you're saying is that despite all the difficulties, and there can be so many difficulties is because someone can have a very different upbringing, a very different set of beliefs, a very different set of experiences, and of course they might have suffered greatly already in their life or be going through something as we're speaking with them. But despite all of those potential dangers, that it is possible to communicate clearly and beautifully to them. I think so. You know, sometimes the way you were just saying that, Kim, I think the packaging of the communication is the feelings. and when the feelings are good, I think people really listen to you. But if the feelings aren't so good, they're already making a whole lot of judgments in their mind or they don't feel that sense of safety because sometimes they don't feel that sense of connection or they feel judged or whatever it may be. I mean, I just think people pick up so much subtle stuff And we've got to be aware too that when we do communicate that it will go through all the filters in another person's head. And so unless the vibrations are really respectful, loving, peaceful, powerful, often your message will not be understood well. Well, Charlie, today I'd like to look at one part with you of this puzzle. And you already mentioned the word, it's listening. Now, I want to start with my silly Kim introduction, which is, why aren't people listening to me? I've got such important things to say. How come they're checking their phone or looking at the time? I can see that they're wandering off. But then over time, I might go, why aren't I listening well enough to others? So I wanted to ask your take on this. Yeah. It's such an important thing, isn't it? because the body language you give to people really makes them know whether you value them or not. So if you're telling me and I'm looking, oh, that's so interesting. It's lovely what you're saying. What a message am I giving to somebody? What message? And sometimes I'm looking around. To be frank, I watch myself do that occasionally and I really try to change because Daddy Pratashini, who was the head of the Brahma Kumaris for like 48 years, an extraordinary spiritual leader. I notice, you know, imagine an organization of nearly a million people meeting people all the time. When you were in front, she made you her world. She absolutely focused on you and even if someone said, Daddy this, Daddy that, she would keep, because she knew that it was valuing you. I'm present for you to really listen to you. It's messages that I respect you, I value you, I like you, I'm enjoying this. But if I'm always looking around and this sort of thing, then people get a different message from me. Charlie, there is a bit of a danger, and this is maybe a sideline to our main discussion today. There is a danger because so many of us have a phone in our pocket. We have this instant connectivity to what we think is the whole world, all these innumerable websites and all this information, and possibly we can miss out on the real communication that is in front of us by going for this sort of fake communication. What do you think it was like? You know when you said that Kim an image came to my mind once I was someone I saw four people standing facing each other And all four of them were texting And I thought, they've got people in front. And I just thought it's sort of an image of our world, isn't it? That, you know, really at the heart of a beautiful life is face-to-face communication. and that you know I think that sometimes we can hide behind screens and hide behind all sorts of things but actually to be who I am to know who I am create a feeling on the base of that and offer that energy to someone near to me is sort of the beauty of life and then to receive with a pure feeling the vibrations of another It's like a gift in a way. You know, those pure feelings are like blessings, especially when those feelings are filled with love and respect. It's like a blessing and you feel uplifted. And they might not even say anything. They might not even say anything, but that's their presence, their face, their vibrations. You feel welcomed, you feel loved, you feel valued. That's probably the real word, really valued. Charlie, I had a beautiful image go in my head as you were saying this, and it's like all of us love to pass a garland of flowers and smell that or we can go to a florist. And there's almost nothing more beautiful than saying to this flower, I love your fragrance. But yet we have spiritual perceptions, of course, as well. And those spiritual perceptions can take in the fragrance of each individual soul we meet. And it's a beautiful thought to think that on one level that's all we have to do, this simple thing of allow them to enter our atmosphere. That's a wonderful image, Kim. And it's almost like the world is like a beautiful garden of flowers. And if I choose to, I can enjoy the fragrance of all the different... And what's really good is that everyone has a different fragrance, but that's also good. You know, like sometimes, rather than saying, I like this fragrance, I don't like that fragrance, I think when you have, you live in your self-respect, you sort of know how to value the extroverts, value the introverts, value the hard workers, value the creatives, value everyone in their own, because they all have their own sort of unique fragrance that they offer to this beautiful garden of humanity in which we're living. Charlie, that's really beautiful. Now I want to get down to a business. Now, jokes aside, there's a few sorts of listening that are well known, and there's two sorts that, if we were to go to a course and the course would say, now we're going to learn to listen better as a skill, they would talk about active listening often. So I want to define it and then get your take on it from a spiritual dimension. Active listening is this idea that when someone says something to me, in order to make sure that there is no misunderstanding, I will repeat back and paraphrase what they have said, and then I will check with them that what I have given back to them is accurate, or at least as accurate as I can get. How could that work in a spiritual dimension? Yeah, I think it really does, Kim, because it's like you keep reflecting back to that individual, don't you? It's like you're reflecting that basically you're trying to be in tune so that you're not letting it go through all your filters and you're distorting it deeply, but you're sort of really trying to tune in and the active is showing that your desire to tune in to the place they're coming from. How many times have you had the experience someone's telling you a story, a problem, And you sort of tune in that it's actually not the problem. There's something much deeper that they're trying to tell you. But a lot of people don't want to sort of say that. And I think when we actively listen, we can sort of tune into what's really this person, what makes them work, and what is the – maybe something that you can offer that can help deal with an issue or deal with a problem, because you're really tuned into what's the real pain inside. Because sometimes what they say is not the real story. Have you had that experience? Oh, very much. I think quite often by being active, we're just enabling people to tell more of their story. And it's sort of like giving someone permission to speak more freely over time. And the way you expressed yourself, it was so obvious that there's no judgment. And this is such an important thing if we're going to be an active listener that we can't filter it through our belief systems to say, or what you're saying is that silly thing about so-and-so, we have to say, even if I don't believe in it, that that point of view is valid. It is, yeah. So I love how you've expressed that. Here's my second one in the so-called course of listening, passive listening. Passive listening being the idea that rather than trying to actually be able to say anything at all, really what we have to do is just literally hear the person with all of our being. Yeah. And this seems to me something that starts to get towards the spiritual dimensions. It's so true. You know, Kim, once I had the experience, someone came to meet me and she talked nonstop for half an hour, nonstop. I didn't say a word. And at the end of it she said to me, thank you so much. It's really helped. And she was sort of saying, it's almost like I'd said something. I hadn't said a word, not even a word. And I always remember that, that sometimes we feel communication is, you say something, I say something, you say something, I say something. But actually, there's sometimes that passive listening, where you once again, you almost tune into, all you're doing is hearing someone out in a non-judgmental way. You're not butting and saying, no, I don't agree, this isn't right. You're just accepting them as they are, and allowing them to really, and really a good listener, wow, they can do amazing healing, I think, for people. Yes, when you spoke that, I really thought of the therapeutic powers. There's a term called bearing witness, which I also thought of, this idea that we don't have to agree with what someone's saying, but to really witness it with our soul. It's so empowering for someone, and it's almost like the ultimate gift. To really hear someone as they are is a very deep gift to give to them. And I suppose we not trying to make you be like me or agree with me You just it a form of respect isn it I value you and I just listening to who you are and what you offering and I not really compartmentalizing it in any way or judging it I'm just, in a way, giving you the gift of witnessing your life and your experience and not labeling it as right or wrong or good or bad. It just is. So Charlie, you've really brought up that these two methods of listening can be very, very useful but it's my feeling that we can go a little bit deeper and there's certainly something I've experienced in my time with the Brahma Kumaris and I want to also say there's many people outside of the Brahma Kumaris who do this very, very well this notion that maybe isn't in all courses of spiritual listening so I want to ask you to respond to what those two words mean to you, Charlie I think what it means to me Kim is that I the soul listen to you the soul and I sort of see how you the soul are acting through the body. It's like I'm really tuning into you and sort of absorbing your vibration as such. and I think to really do that we often have a word we call drishti where drishti is really where it's vision that I see the soul I communicate to the soul and I sort of tune in and I listen to the most subtle aspect of you and not only that not even the present you I can sort of tune in to the original beauty and I think that's one of the greatest gifts I've had the experience of some rather than seeing me with all my present set of witnesses the story of the soul is that originally it was pure over time it's lost its power and so really listening to the soul it's almost listening, tuning into a time in the soul where it was pure and elevated and somehow just that drishti unlocks it Just seeing somebody with an elevated vision unlocks the beauty inside of them. And that's probably the highest form of listening, I would say. Charlie, in the past you've talked about sometimes this notion that there can be like a film of dust on the soul through just the various things that go wrong in life. And for many of us, life after life, things can go wrong or go right. And then the essential nature can be lost a little bit. But what you're saying about Drishti is it's maybe a potential to go back to the original source and empower someone to clean their soul. It's sort of like we're becoming part of this very deep spiritual discourse. So I want to ask you something before we go any further. Could we both give our wonderful viewers 20 seconds of Drishti? Sure. Thank you. Wasn't that beautiful? So for you who are listening or watching, it's that simple. Isn't it so simple, Charlie? I mean, what Charlie did was he focused his attention to his third eye and he gave you that beautiful loving gaze. I can tell you I've received it so many times. But this is one of the jewels of the Brahma Kumaris. There are thousands of people in thousands of centres all around the world who will give you drishti. Isn't that incredible, Charlie? It is, Kim. and I've sometimes sat with 20,000, 30,000 people who meditate with their eyes open in silence. Have you ever had the experience that sometimes sitting in silence with people you feel closer than even sitting and talking with people? Have you had that feeling? It's almost like once again the soul communication and the drishti from soul to soul is such a gift. It's like I, the soul, offer this peace, love and respect to you, the soul. And it's like, is there a more precious gift in this world today? I don't think so. You know, it seems like we've really come to something quite profound and beautiful. So I have a question for you. If I'm in a marriage, you know, and of course there's a whole realm of physical affection that can happen. But do you think there's a place for something like dhrishti in married life? Absolutely, Kim. Because I think that, you know, when you get to know someone, you become familiar and you take them for granted. And you sort of, unfortunately, the human nature, when we're a bit body conscious, is when we get to know people, we sort of tune into their set of issues or weaknesses. and I think that I think Drishti is like a respect that you're not just my wife or my child or my husband you are a soul on the journey of life and I'm going to respect you in that way and I think that's why one of the great teachings of all the major traditions and faiths is the brotherhood of man meaning that as souls we're not male or female we're sort of all we're just this incredible community I absolutely love that I absolutely love the idea that we are one family because it seems the more we see the differences based on the body that it divides and divides which I find such a shame because it's such an incredible human family we're a part of Well Charlie this has been to me a very inspiring discussion because we talked first of all about communication and then about how profound it is to be a good listener And I think what you said to us is that this is a goal that we can set for all of ourselves and it is attainable that from today on and certainly from tomorrow, we can be better listeners in all those results and we can go deeper and deeper in this listening process and then go from the active to the passive to the spiritual state of listening, all potentially in an instant. So that said, could you take us on this guide? No. To all of us sitting at home, let us focus internally and become aware of myself as the eternal soul life means communication But in communication sometimes I speak. But equally I have to learn to listen. To listen to someone with attention is a great act of respect. but to see beyond the labels of the other's body, go beyond the judgments of what their body represents or even my memories of their past and meet them as a soul. I, the soul, look through my eyes and I see you, the soul, sitting and acting through that name and form. I'm now communicating to you spiritually. And one of the great gifts I can offer is the pure feelings of love, respect, care, through my vibrations. My drishti takes it from my mind and it settles in your mind. It's like I offer a sweet feeling. And in this too, I understand that you, the soul, the original state is absolutely pure and peaceful. I choose to see that in you. It's like I am listening to your highest self, your highest self. And just the gift of seeing the beauty in the other is so uplifting. If I want to offer a gift to those closest to me, first see them as a soul and then create the highest and most benevolent thoughts of their highest state, their original state, pure state and they feel that vision or drishti of valuing them. So just through your vibrations, communication can heal another, can uplift, can transform someone who is a bit sad and and make them feel happier. The more I move on the spiritual journey, I begin to realize the power of an elevated mind to communicate and transform relationships and atmospheres. Thank you. you Charlie. That's been a journey of acceptance, forgiving, openness, benevolence, weakness, all to be better listeners. It's a beautiful, beautiful thought. So I'd like to say to each one who's listening and watching that we hope that you will become the best listener you can, both to your inner self and to all those you meet, and that you are able to discern the hidden love of God in the actions of everyone. Charlie, thank you for being here today again. Thanks so much, Kim. Lovely to be here again. Thank you. Thank you.4a:T181d,foreign Ty it's time Food Glorious Food is an important part of our life and meal times are super important but how much do we value our food and this special time we spend to refuel our bodies without food and water we would simply perish do we realize that the food we eat nourishes the soul as well as the body how many of us realize that feeding the body is really a sacred Act for without the cooperation of the body we would not be alive and we would not be able to experience the beauty of this world in Hinduism the belief is that if we do not thank God for our food to share a small prayer or give Grace then it is as though we are thieves stealing that food and eating it having gratitude for the water we drink the fruit we eat the food we consume or anything else we gobble is a form of respect for the Creator how long did it take Mother Earth to create these wonderful forms of food that nourish our bodies and how many seconds does it take to finish it the least we can do is to be thankful for that food yet how many of us have the habit of munching on the move how often do we stop to take time to appreciate the food and honor the process that nourishes us when we are rushed and stressed while we are eating then how can we digest that food well how can we expect to experience the natural nourishment that we should do we appreciate the entire process from eating digesting and absorbing the food if truth be told then very few of us are really being present while we eat for us to be able to take the full benefit of the natural Bounty of nature it is important to practice being mindful not only about what we eat but also how we eat where we shop and what we buy how we cook how we serve and lay the food on the table and also the Consciousness in which we are eating too food these days is very low in energy why is that even something that looks fresh and organic it may even claim not to have the chemicals in it or on it yet it doesn't mean that it is fully vibrant and bursting with nutrition and energy food alone doesn't energize our body and why is this because over time all forms of matter have become depleted air water soil metals all the natural elements of nature can no longer operate according to their original program basically if the soil has no minerals and vitamins left within it then How can any plant that we grow there extract any goodness from that soil add to this the energy of greed as producers and Farmers continue to try and maximize their yield through all the use of the land the land is no longer left to regenerate and given time to come back to a place of balance the attitude of everything is there for our taking will in the end be our own downfall the attitude of take and then take some more motivated from a place of greed in the end we will all pay a heavy price for not looking after this beautiful and only planet which we have to live on when will we realize that we have to start to give something back to Mother Earth for some people are waking up to this and have done so for some time this is why many people make a conscious choice to be vegetarian or vegan more people have become Mindful and ethical shoppers who choose to support fair trade products while the local farmer or the small businessman there are a growing number of people who are turning away from the large faceless organizations that just see the dollar at the end of the checkout these Mega corporations do not care about the impact of their actions on the environment energy vibrations and frequencies all have an impact in our world it is not just what we do that matters but how we think and how we feel too if Our intention is to strip naked the planet then this is also a form of violence let alone our food how healthy are our thoughts and feelings therefore the food that we consume and the actions that we perform will also reflect these different energy types Professor Emoto showed that we can energetically shape the molecular structure of our food as we give it positive vibes Dr emoto's research revealed that when water was exposed to positive or negative energy in other words thoughts then the energy transmitted drastically changed the molecular structure the water that received the positive comments and Vibes created perfectly symmetrical crystallized patterns very much like a snowflake on the other hand the water which was exposed to negative energy changed and became fractured in shape the same results occur by placing a label on the pot like love peace or anger or sadness and so accordingly the plant will flourish or wilt Prince Charles became famous and sometimes ridiculed for talking to his plants so that they would grow better as plants which may well become our food respond well to good energy and happy vibes to produce more nourishing and healthy foods just think of the impact this sort of food would have on our overall health we would become happy eaters by eating happy food this is why it is so important to create time for a respectful moment of silence to offer thanks or give Grace for our food before eating it as we sit before our food look at it with love and be thankful for the food that we have we are giving food that reverence it deserves food is matter and all matter responds kindly to love and it will serve us better in the long run as we become more connected and more grateful for our food we also come to realize that this is not the case for everyone this simple daily Act of eating with ease makes us the lucky ones because for many people in less fortunate circumstances finding food is a daily struggle indeed in some cases it can be a matter of life and death we need to realize that we are part of the bigger World Than Just Me Myself and I and that what do we do does impact on the lives of others and especially nature if we stop cooperating with nature then nature will stop supporting us it is quite simple do you remember how Grandma used to make ends meet and say waste not want not in our modern world maybe we should take a leaf out of Grandma's book it's time it's time to check how much are we always thankful for the food that is on our plate Om Shanti4b:T9267,. ¶¶ Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Om Shanti. Om Shanti. Then say, Om Shanti. Acha. To follow means to love and to show the love in a way that is real and practical to be safe to become free. To take one more step towards becoming an angel. I used to witness how when Dadi used to walk into a gathering, everyone used to be pulled into that silence. And Dadi had this power to pull everyone's intellect towards God and to remind them of who they are and who is it that they belong to. Dadi used to say Om Shanti three times, just so that to remind them that they are a peaceful being. Also, when Dadi used to sit with souls, Dadi first used to take them into that silence to create that powerful atmosphere. And then Dadi used to come into interaction so that they would then take away that loveful feeling, pure feeling. and this was really Dadi's legacy. Om Shanti and welcome to this very special event. This is an event to honour Dadi Janki. Some of you may know her, some of you perhaps don't, but perhaps through this short event you'll be able to catch a glimpse of who Dadi is and what she was able to achieve in her very long life. Last year she passed away on the 27th of March in India and it was lockdown time all over the world, including in India. And so her transition was at a very, very special time, very specific time in which we couldn't come to India to honour her. I was fortunate I was here in India anyway, but I know that thousands of people across the world would have wanted to make this pilgrimage to be here, and they couldn't. And so we decided now it's a year on after her transition, and we see it as not a departure, but rather her presence being experience now from a very subtle dimension an angelic region and so my hope is that we can give you a little idea of who this very special soul is silence can be found inside That's why they say go into silence. To be silent means first of all to become introverted. It's learning to withdraw the senses that we're so used to using outside all the time in extroversion. The eyes, the ears. So learning to withdraw those senses, turn inside to look at what is inside ourselves. We have a deep habit of constantly looking outside of ourselves, talking about things outside of ourselves. But what is the quality of what we're talking about and we're looking at? And so first of all, I need to have this understanding of introversion, extroversion and realize where I need to go inside. Her ability to impart profound spiritual teachings in a very direct and simple way was possible because she was practicing those ideas. She would never speak of anything that she personally had not experienced. She never put herself on a pedestal. She would always say, I'm your friend. And she made each one have that sense of belonging to her. Her capacity of love, to give love, was absolutely as wide as the ocean. And so she was able to bring souls closer to God. Her intention was never for herself, but her motive was always to bring them closer to God. It is such a privilege to be amongst those who have been asked to remember Daddy Janky. She has the most amazing eyes. And when you gaze into them, you're seeing beyond the material world. Each meeting with Daddy Janki left me different. Uplifted, challenged and changed. She was an exceptional person, remarkable. She was one of the few who really called me her friend. The most precious gift of all was to be with her, to be in her presence. I am a man. I will go deep into the deep. I will go into all the things I will go. I will go deep into the deep. I am going to go so much and the soul is not in the world and the soul is not in the world so that you don't have to do this without the love of God He is the habit of God The first time I met with Daddy was in Oxford when I was invited to a Call of the Time retreat. As a social activist in a country and continent hosting the world's most unequal society, I recall vividly the experience because it was at a time in my life I was filled with so many questions and I had an endless supply of them but no meaningful answers. We sat in awe and watched this little frail frame come in and powerfully transform the energy in the room merely by her presence. After an engaging talk she scanned the room questions and after answering a few she looked right at me and said, yes. I thought, yeah, right. All this is well and good in the luxury and beauty that surrounded us at the Global Retreat Center. But what of the real world? So I asked Dadi, what is your view on righteous anger? And what's happening in the world? And how do we overcome this injustice unless we fight it, Dadi? She answered, if the seed is poison, then the fruit can only be poison. Even if you nurture, water, care, shield, the tree, it can never bear good fruit. When you are the seed of peace, then everything you do contributes to sharing who you are with the world. And when you are anger, hatred and violence, you cannot be an agent for peace. It was in that instant that a total transformation of who I was began, and all questions seemed to melt away as peace within emerged and continues to grow today. Daddy Yankee was a very important person in my spiritual life. She nurtured my spiritual path and the path of thousands of spiritual seekers. She was the seed of feminine spirituality for planetary transformation. She was the seed that redirected suffering into compassion and happiness. She was a beautiful lotus flower of wisdom and higher consciousness. When I remember her life of Seba, my heart fills up with admiration. The content of her teachings and advice have always been in my mind and heart. For her, the real solutions to the world problems lie in the spiritual dimensions of life. For her, it was very relevant to bring together those of us who are in the field of world service, that we had to develop a deeper connection with our inner a spiritual self and with God. Before the Sankrapa is very clean, he is peaceful, he is silent, he is a deep breath. He has never been able to do it. When I think of her, the thing that I remember most is her gaze. she held me in Drishti and I felt the blessing of being in her presence. And then there was her clarity. I remember on one occasion coming to see her with something that was worrying me, something that I was doing that was worrying me. And after a while listening to me, she looked at me and simply said, well, stop doing it. I was shocked. But then I thought, well, yes, that would do it. Stop doing it. And of course, like many others, I thought she could see right into me. And perhaps she could, but it was always with such a loving intent that there was nothing to hide. And there were the gifts, always the gifts. But of course, the most precious gift of all was to be with her, to be in her presence. It gives me real pleasure to be able to share with you my experience of Daddy Yankee. I first met Daddy in Kuala Lumpur and subsequently I met Daddy up at Mount Abu when I attended the Call of Time retreats. The Call of Time retreats was Daddy's brainchild and every time it was held, every two years up at Mount Abu, Daddy would make sure that she would Come up and join us during our discussions there. I remember each time Daddy walked into the room, there would be pin-drop silence. And Daddy took her time as she walked down the aisle to make sure she looked each person in the eye as she offered her drishti or her blessings. I first met Dottie Janky in 1999. I was in the middle of preparing for a big summit of religious leaders at the United Nations and someone had suggested that I meet Dottie Janky. So I went with no expectation, just really hoping to invite Dottie to come to this big summit of the United Nations But I was totally unprepared for what met me when I arrived there and we had some dialogue going on and then this very small woman walks into this room but bringing with her a tremendous spiritual energy and power. I was completely sort of transfixed when I first was in her presence and felt the energy that she carried with her. And then after the dialogue for that day, I was invited to come up and meet with her personally. And I was sitting very close to her and she just stared at me, looked deeply into my soul, really, is what she was doing. And I looked deeply back at her and I was lost in those eyes of her. She has the most amazing eyes. And when you gaze into them, you're seeing beyond the material world into the spiritual realms. and that was a very powerful experience for me that first time meeting daddy and gazing into her eyes and just feeling her presence. This is the power of the human being. Energy Pantiyya Whenever she came to New York, I always wanted to try to see her And I was most moved because whenever I could go see her, she always made time to greet me personally. And then after meeting her a few times when she came to the U.S., she invited me to come to Mount Abba, which I did. I went a few times to Mount Abba to see her. And again, she always made time to meet me personally. And she called me her friend. And that was very, very special to me. I've met in my work, I've met so many spiritual teachers, religious leaders from around the world. And she was one of the few who really called me a friend and treated me as a friend. And so there was no formality when meeting Dati. Of course, you know, one was conscious that you were in the presence of a very great soul. And it was an intense love that came from her. She emanated this intense love. And she had a great effect on me. You know, in my years, it's not easy to find, through the interfaith work that I've done, where to find women spiritual teachers of that category, who have such a presence and are beloved by so many and have love for the world. I mean what one feels from Dati is the love that she gives and she treats everyone as if they are a friend. I knew that I was no different. Everybody was her friend. She was a friend to all and she was to all a friend. The It is true, in this way, So, Hymn and help are two different. Before we said that, Hymn and children, help are now. We have seen that, The Hymn and children are saying that Hymn and children are 100,000, 1000, help are now. Thank you. When I looked into the eyes of Stati Djenti, it was like looking into a deep well or an ocean on a beautiful day. I learned to deal with my ego. I learned to be more detached. I learned that to trust. And I started to understand that life would not give me more challenges than I could deal with, that I could handle. And after this, my life took a totally new turn. I'm much more comfortable with myself than I was. I've learned to trust. I'm calmer. I'm more caring. My ego is not as big as it was. I'm more detached. And I think I'm a better person. I know the people around me are happier. The people I love. I owe a lot to Daddy Tianti. On the special occasion, which is a year after Daddy's passing, I have this message for Daddy. Dearest Daddy, everything that you have taught me has been put to good use. And I am now sharing this valuable knowledge with others so that their lives will be peaceful and purposeful as mind has been for so many years now. Thank you, Daddy, for your special love. Sometimes when I turn my mind to Daddy, I feel her presence right there. I see her smile because she has a most amazing smile. I see the intense love coming from her eyes. And I know that it's a friendship that will last eternally because that's what friendship is. Friendship once given doesn't leave. Friendship is an eternal gift. so that's my that's my love for daddy that's my memory of daddy and that's how I feel about being in daddy's presence A tiny flower breaks the stone Her roots connected far below She drinks the power of the sun A testament to anyone Who's taken on what seems to be immovable. Daddy Janky is someone who has walked her talk her whole life. Can you imagine someone every moment which is alive, energetic, and at the next moment silent? That is Daddy Janky. I experienced in her somebody who lives without doubt. She just didn't entertain doubt, which I find fascinating. When she put her faith somewhere, it was like constant and absolutely directive. Daddy came to London at age 59. and many people are thinking to retire at the age of 60. Who wants to go and take on a completely new daunting task at age 60? And Dadi took on this mission of giving the message of Raj Yoga to the Western world at the age of 59. She's given me an example that that is possible. I wouldn't say I'm able to do it. I'm not. I still live with doubt and faith together and I'm okay with that. But yeah, when she put her faith somewhere it was... And I have experienced that when you do that, magic happens. So yeah, it's possible. Daddy had this amazing ability to go into the depth, absolutely the depth of spiritual teachings. And having gone into that depth, having fought deeply and experimented with those ideas, she was then able to present those ideas in a very universal way. because her absolute conviction was that God is the parent, the mother and father of the whole of humanity. And so God's teachings have to be shared with the whole of humanity. And so she would find a way to be able to communicate those ideas because she personally had experienced everything that she was talking about. And so when she spoke, it was with the authority of experience and that ring of truth. And I knew that she was exactly the right person to be able to share these ideas with the whole world. She was the perfect example of the wise old crone and the child who was so spontaneous in her nature. But there was another quality of communication which had nothing to do with words that was beyond words. I didn't need to tell her if I was, you know, going through something or had thoughts about something. And it's not that she would say you're thinking this or you're feeling this, but she would just give a resolution. It was just as simple and as easy as that. You know, many people told Daddy, you don't speak the language. And Daddy, Daddy never thought twice about that. She didn't think I don't speak English or if I'm going to France, you know, oh, I don't speak French. But Dadi understood that it was the language of love. It was the language of the eyes. It was the language of silence. Perhaps the most prominent ability she had was that of understanding the human heart. She knew what people needed. She knew how to motivate people. She could look deeply into another person's soul, locate and identify what is special in that person. She could see the potential in another person and then help to very gently bring it out. Daddy never really communicated with me with words. It was always like through the eyes or through her vibration. And really, she melted my heart. I have to say that from my heart. For instance, you know, one time I was in her room and she embraced me and I felt her heart, you know, and to me, that was magic. And ever since I felt like that, you know, I felt to myself, You know, she has such care for humanity. I just found that amazing. Daddy Yankee, she's very wise, of course, we know. She has very good answers. And she knows also how to go to the essence and avoid the expansion. Just, I remember always, she had this deep discernment power to understand the soul. accurately she wanted to know exactly what spiritual effort I was doing and what was my experience every day and she I should note it down I should write it and and take it to her every evening and so that made me that helped me to pay a lot of attention so to to check and see okay what spiritual effort what newness and my bringing to myself every day. So I felt really inspired and I paid a lot of attention. So she served through friendship. And she served businessmen, politicians, rock stars, everyone. It didn't matter what walk of life. They instantly felt safe with her. So what was her secret? How did she generate this trust and this friendship so immediately and so naturally? You know, when he was still president of India, Abdul Kalam said about her, That Dadi Janki, she weeds her mind like a gardener. And this was her secret. She kept her mind completely clean. No negative thought. No waste thought. Nothing except pure love. She inspired me to create a new vision for myself and really live those values, be those virtues that I was listening in my spiritual study. She gave me an opportunity to really see where do I need to focus my attention because my heart desire was to serve humanity, but I didn't know how to do that. Dadi showed me, and for that, she inspired me to imbibe these spiritual values and virtues into my life. Her roots connected far below. She drinks the power of the sun. A testament to anyone. I was just walking through the mad busy streets of South London and there was this tiny little white flower coming up through a crack in a pavement and it was a hot day and it was just there in the midst of all this chaos and dirt and noise and and I just saw it I really saw it and it um it really touched me just the way it was so beautiful and perfect and the way it come up through concrete the strength of it and um the song came out of that vision of that image because to me that's what daddy was she was like this little powerhouse who was always so you know everything about her was so fresh her little hands she was always so clean and she just but powerful that she could break concrete she was tiny that she could break concrete and so this song just came and when I read it back I amazed by the lyrics You know they profound The quiet way unseen by eyes who seek to shine in neon light. People who seek to shine too brightly on things don't see things. It's when you're quiet inside that you really see. I wish to swing out of the sea To land inside this landscape me A solitude of still repose And quiet concert there compose Not for applause and not for need of anything I love the song and every time I do it I have to learn it again because the lyrics don't feel like mine so I have to learn them again they're almost too intellectual in a way so that was the song and I just thought yeah, that's Debbie Tiny Flower and that thing was you know was love really she became to me she became love and so which is the greatest power of all I think well I feel quite emotional saying that yeah the greatest power in the universe A love song I would hear A love song I would hear I first met Daddy Janky about 10 years ago in an interview in London. She came into the room in a white sari, this tiny little lady, and she was speaking in Hindi. I didn't understand the words, but I understood her message. She spoke with those sparkling eyes and her powerful fingers that were so determined to deliver God's message of peace, love, joy, warmth, understanding, kindness. She actually reduced me to tears. But more importantly, she inspired me to go and find out more about this incredible organisation who seemed to know the answers to the big questions in life. I met her a couple of times in your centre in Oxford, in England, and I can still feel and see her eyebrows and her eyes when she spoke to me. After sharing on one-on-one with her some of the challenges and dilemma I was dealing with, she looked at me and said, don't worry. be happy. Don't be anxious about the past, for tomorrow is beautiful. She turned around and said, I can see kindness, I can see humility in you. Let us work for contentment. Let us work for purity, let us work for truth in the world. At that stage I jumped and I spoke about my activism and searching for truth in the world and she turned around and said contentment, inner happiness can change the world. It was after some years that I realized, I asked the question, why do I have so much love for her? Was it because I know she has a lot of love for me? And the understanding, no, that wasn't the reason. But it's a spiritual principle that we're only ever projecting ourselves. and we're either seeing the good of ourselves, the potential for ourselves, or those things that we want to hide about ourselves in the other. And so my love for Daddy Janki was that everything I could possibly have wished for myself, I saw in her. The Supreme is only the one who is the benefactor of everyone. And I feel that God has kept and the Supreme has kept hope in us and has filled our hearts and minds and inspiring us to become benefactors for everyone. So we have not done anything, but we are doing our own faith. And so I always feel as if I am not doing anything, but it's the hopes of the Supreme, the feelings of the Supreme that are being translated through me, that are working through me and benefiting others. One of the great spiritual formulae which we have in our study in terms of relationship is the art of the balance of being detached and yet loving with everyone. And I saw that very practically in Dadi, that she could come very close to others, really help them, support them, enable them to believe in themselves, but yet not allow them to become dependent upon her. And so the hallmark of a great leader is she created greatness within others. Even though I may not have had a lot of encounters with Daddy, the quality of each one was quite fascinating and pivotal as I sort of string them together. I know she felt God was using her. I'm not even sure if she was aware of how much she was giving the experience of being seen, regardless of what she was seeing, that experience of being seen. and it's really a gift to give that experience to someone and they take it so that I will continue to see myself as deeply as possible and we can call it honesty if you want but that feeling of being x-rayed to pass that on as a gift to someone else now x-ray yourself like being very but it was it wasn't some don't like to do that because they're worried about what they'll see but there was something very healing about it for the sake of your own healing cultivate this art of being able to see yourself so daddy has uh has and still is my mentor and i still look up to her for guidance but the one thing she taught me was she always had the ability to see the best in me and i'm really hard on myself and i sometimes well still struggle to the best in me. I'm like all of us, sometimes we do that. But Daddy, for some reason, always uplifted me. She always said positive things and she always sees the best in me. I asked her once, Daddy, like, you know, I feel so unworthy or so hard on myself. And she's just told me that to have mercy on myself, to forgive things that I did in the past without knowing. But now because I can, you know, connect with God and have a pure vision for people and the surroundings around me, that I'm much more easy on myself. Somebody once said that Daddy talks about God as if she's talking about somebody she knows very intimately. And I said, she does. She is talking about God because of that. She does know God very intimately. And she would have fun with God. She would have a relationship of God as mother and father and teacher and friend. She loved that relationship of God as her friend and companion. And so she would share about God in such an easy, natural way that it made others feel, I can also have a relationship with the divine in the same way and have fun with God. It's funny, you know, people, there's a relationship. You just want to be alone with that person. But when it comes to daddy, I don't think you can ever be alone. I think Baba or God rather is always there. God is always this third being there. You're never alone with Daddy in that relationship. The feeling that God is always involved. So, you know, as you're moving through this relationship with Daddy, you're really kind of moving through it with God as well. So my relationship with Daddy, I think, is quite special. I think everybody thinks their relationship with Daddy is quite special and it is. But mine was special in the way I got to serve Daddy. She was a patient of mine. We spent many hours in silence together, 20, 30 hours, 40 hours maybe. And I think one of the experiences was I was treating Daddy and she was quiet in the chair. And all of a sudden she bolts up from the chair and I was like startled. I said, Daddy, Daddy, you okay? She goes, no, no, I'm okay. Are you okay? I said, Daddy, I'm fine. I'm worried about you. She goes, no, no, no, I'm fine. She goes, I was with Baba, I was with God. I was meditating. And she said, while I was meditating, the blessings I got and the good wishes, I share 50% of those with you. And that really touched me, really touched me, that a powerful soul like Daddy Jamki would give 50% of her God-given good wishes and blessings to me, little old me, really warm me. Everyone's hearts are broken. in God's love in God's love with the power of God's love the heart can become clean and strong so that we are able to face the challenges of the world today This is my message for the world. She talked about simplicity and cleanliness and she would say, keep your heart clean. And we would think, what is she talking about? Keep your heart clean. But she would go on and explain that everything starts with the heart. She said the heart takes in sorrow, fear, worry, and it holds those things. It gives sanctuary to those feelings. So she said as long as your heart is filled with those things, or with jealousy or competition or any of that, then when you go inside to try to connect with God, or when you're trying to make a pure connection with someone, you won't be able to do it. Because you'll go inside and instead you will be connecting with these things that are in the heart. So she said you have to completely clean these things out of your heart. Nothing in your memory track, nothing in your awareness except God's presence and your pure love. Through the years, I saw her able to clear out whatever there was in terms of things from the past that were maybe a little bit of a block. She cleared all of those and she became, over the last 20 years or so that she was serving, just a very clean channel. And it was God's light shining through her eyes. It was God's love pouring through her and reaching everyone and giving everyone that sense of belonging. What I really like very much in that is personality. What I found special about her is that, I don't know if you noticed, she has a little sparkle of light in her eyes that says everything about her. It says her love for God, it says the soul, the power of the soul that she is, and it says her little... she's like a mysterious, you know, and this you can see in her eyes. She likes to tease everyone, she likes to laugh, she likes to be dancing and playing and even singing. She's really sweet and light. The other very interesting thing I noticed was that over the last 20 years or so, she would have such a sense of humour and there wouldn't be a lecture or a class in which people didn't have the opportunity to have a good laugh. And so she made spirituality fun. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Thank you. you know for me it's like they're integrated they're one and the same that's why we can say she moved but i don't think she was moving between i think they both coexisted all the time in silence she was dancing and when she was dancing she was in silence and that is so important to me in this practice as well and i i think once you kind of can move beyond ego into what we call soul consciousness but just being our true self i think you're home free i think the integration is natural but i you know there's so many instances you say where she would be kind of very we can say childlike so much energy and joy but i never felt the spirituality was gone at those moments and when she was like powerful yogi on the stage you could just feel there was so much happiness in that silence, such joy in being with God in that way in the gathering. Just to know that spirituality isn't serious and isn't all about just sitting in silence. She loved silence and through her eyes when she was able to touch others with her glance she was able to pull them into a very deep space of silence and give them an experience of that But of course, when she was talking with them, she would also make them laugh. And I think that's why she loved that connection. That if you are free which is what spirituality is if you free of that then you would be expressing yourself And it wouldn be extroverted it wouldn be showy it just freedom freedom from that self when i first met daddy i was taken with it back in i think about 86 when i met her i was playing guitar and i wrote a song that i wanted to play to daddy and this went on um every time i was in in her presence i would ask if I could just come play this song to you. You know from time to time when daddy would come to town I would be asked to sing this. I find myself even when daddy's not there just singing it and I might be in the company of complete strangers singing we are one family. We are too close not to let it be. We are sisters and brothers, a coat of many colors, you and me. You and me. It is, we are all one family. The line that says, we are a coat of many colors, sisters and brothers, we can see today that that coat is fragmented. That coat, that tapestry has been rent apart. So it's a raggedy coat that we're wearing now. It's not integrated. The threads are not integrated. Her love for people was incredible. If anybody wanted to see her, she would not consider the time of day or the time of night, but she wanted to fulfill their need. And it didn't matter whether it was someone young or someone very senior, whether they were junior in their career or whether they had reached the highest level of office in their work, whether it was royalty she was meeting or whether it was the person who was doing the cleaning. It really did not matter to her. Practically, I sat like this. When I sit, I sit like this. When I stand, I stand like this. And there's this feeling like I'm not doing anything. It's my heart, it's my mind, and it's the eyes that are enabling things to be done. And that we have to use the power of peace in everything we do. I am no author and I'm no speaker. I just know how to use my heart well my mind well and my eyes well and the one up above the supreme is using these to enable things to happen so that at least human beings are inspired to be peaceful enough to listen to things that will benefit them. Daddy Janki would just need to walk into a room. Everybody would notice her, not just because of her height, because of her spiritual authority. Daddy walked her talk and commanded that spiritual authority. And this was the greatness about Daddy. Daddy Janki transformed every room she entered. For over 20 years, she led an initiative called the Call of the Time Dialogues and Retreats, and we met all over the world. And we'd be sitting in a circle of 20 or 30 people, sometimes 60 people, and Dottie would appear at the door. And as soon as that happened, the room would go quiet and everyone would stand. They would slowly rise to their feet and wait as she walked around and looked at each one. It's like she created this presence. She generated trust. They instantly felt safe with her. Take me home. Help me find the strength to carry on. He always thought that that particular song was for, he'd written it from the inspiration of Daddy, and it was really for Daddy, you know. But he also had it for his own mother, and also for Mother Earth. So he thought that it was a song that could reach out to all mothers and also to the Mother Earth as well. But it was inspired by Daddy. It's a very special day today for a very special woman. Daddy Janky is 90 years old today. When we were talking with Daddy, you know, I think he had a kind of an inner ear and could hear something else or connect with something else. It was like soul connection. It's a great birthday. being 90 is a great achievement in itself but she's a very, very special woman and a great inspiration to me and this next song is a brand new song that I wrote for her and I'm going to sing it for the first time right now I just had that kind of soul connection and you definitely had it with her song is called Mother of Love yes, Andy you know, he was part of the Bliss group. He was the one who came over with his keyboard and they worked out a tune. Mother, take my hand. Lead me to a world I understand. I look back and I say, thank you, Daddy, for giving me so much love that I was able to have the courage and the power to do what I needed to do. and Daddy you would always say that it comes from God and yes I know that but God needs hands and feet and eyes and lips and everything else that a human being has to be able to do what he needs to do and so yes at moments when I thought that this is all too much, I can't manage this anymore very gently you would remind me that I'm a child of God and because of that yes it is possible to achieve what normally would be felt was impossible Mother of love, angel of light I'm a long lost child, so alone in the night Mother of love, angel of light, you have saved this soul, you have given me sight. You know, when we celebrated Daddy's 100th birthday here in London, we had a slogan to describe her. Unshakable faith, unbreakable love. And that really described her life. And of course it was unshakable faith, unbreakable love in God. That was the foundation. But it was that for everybody she interacted with. and I felt that, I felt that she had that for me. I really felt that she believed in me, and that really is the greatest gift one can have. I'm a long lost child, so alone in the night. Mother of love, angel of light. You have saved this soul You have woken me Mother of love When I thought that I really couldn't carry on he would again say but remember what God sees in you she would never say think about what I see in you she would say remember what God sees in you and this is why he's brought you this far and so he's not going to let you down but you just keep holding that hand which is the hand of the Divine and you'll be able to overcome this. And so the things that are deep inside that we've carried in ourselves for a long, long time, we don't know how to deal with those things usually. But you would very gently, very clearly explain and then you would understand and you would begin to move forward again. Thank you. Thank you. . Daddy knew that it was possible for every human being to experience God and that connection and draw God's love and peace and joy into their life. And this is what Daddy stood for, to be able to share all those qualities with others and show them that they too can connect and receive all of that. I think she would like to convey the message that there is a very, very powerful and divine being somewhere up there and that we should get to know him and connect to him. And from there, we will draw energy and we will get this strength that is not only necessary for our day-to-day life, but for the world at this time, at this moment of time. you're around this kind of energy and you really experience people's purity and you experience their dedication and you experience what they've accumulated over years of having, it's awesome. It's awesome, you know, and so to be brought closer and closer, that was my blessing. That was really my blessing. She enabled all of us, no matter what your background was, the advantages of it or what it lacked, she made you useful, if you like, that she showed you that you had something to contribute. And so unlike what we would sometimes hear when I was growing up, oh that person's neither useful to god nor man that daddy junkie by her way of seeing you made you useful to both god and humanity daddy created inspired me to have a new vision of seeing she saw the inner beauty she saw the sparkling diamond she saw the goodness but it wasn't just with me, it was with everyone. When I think about Dadi's legacy, I think about how she's been able to show us that a human being can truly be above all limits and limitations and just see each and every human being as her brother and sister. She would just meet somebody and say, you're my brother or you're my sister. That day when I left her, and she was washing her hands, she was washing her hands in a sink, and she looked at me, because I was holding her, she looked at me, she goes, whenever you want anything, just call me. And that just blew me away. That blew me away. And so now, when I think of daddy, whenever there are moments where I need Daddy, connect with Baba. And I just remember her saying, just call me and I'll be there. So she'd say to us, it'll happen. Don't get disheartened. It'll happen. You can do this. So now when we are living in the post-Daddy world, when we are going on without her company and without her leadership, I think that little silent chant we have to have in our minds is this encouragement from her. We can do this. It will happen. So that's a tiny glimpse of who this amazing woman has been. One who was always concerned with letting others move forward and move ahead, empowering them so that they could become leaders. She was never one to have followers, but she was a trainer of leaders. And so this is how Daddy lived her life, constantly helping and serving. ¶¶ ¶¶ you4c:T7790,[Music] electrician knows how to connect the wire to the right place to let the current flow so that is a bit of an electrician she knows how to join the wires together when she was with you you had her attention 100 percent and she made you feel special she made you feel that nobody mattered in that moment except you i stopped in front of her and she actually said something to me that was to me it was so powerful and all of a sudden i completely started sobbing and i want to say i've never no one has ever ever made me cry in my entire life i mean even when my parents died i didn't shed a tear i don't cry [Music] she does this every time i poke powder she takes my sari and she wipes her face with it [Music] behind those fragile little hands there is a great story to tell a story that is now more than 100 years old it's an extraordinary story one that speaks to the heart of humanity also wherever she goes she will always go to baba's room before she leaves for the past 20 years hansa chapineri has witnessed this story unfold looking after daddy with tireless care wherever she goes foreign i think right from the young age i've always been a caring person especially with the elderly and when i used to look at daddy i used to feel how nice it would be to look after daddy just very subtle when daddy used to be going to different programs in the uk you know one hour two hour drive i used to really feel for her that everybody's gone to sleep and how will daddy come in and you know and she has to climb these stairs and she might need something she might want something how can i go to sleep everybody's going to sleep who will help her i used to have these feelings you know [Music] every detail is highly significant in daddy's story every step she took and 20 years ago hansa could never have imagined the journey that would give daddy the power to touch so many lives she is the one who opened the door of my heart to allow god to come in [Music] it happened in the first week of april in 1968 which date out of that first week i can't tell you but it happened [Music] what happened was she spoke to me about conscience and that was a very important trigger because i've been thinking about choices and how to make choices and feeling that i didn't have enough capacity to be able to make my choice permissive society western traditional society hindu society i didn't know which way to go and she picked up on that until she talked to me about cleaning the conscience and i said how she said meditation so then i came back that same evening to start my course [Music] [Music] so the first day was the awareness of the soul and i felt as if i was flying home i wasn't walking home and then when she gave me that trishti it lifted me into another realm and gave me that experience of connecting with god's love [Music] janti kirpalani and her mother always had a close connection with the founder of the brahmakumari's baba janti's grandfather was brahma's cousin she met brahma for the first time at the age of eight and completely dedicated herself to follow his teachings 11 years later at the age of 19. and if we want to tell the story of daddy and open the book of her life it would be hard to find someone more qualified than her and guess who this is very very young daddy sister jante as she is now called knows daddy's life literally by heart and all the details behind almost every picture you can see daddy in her little jacket daddy's story is what she calls the story of a spiritual genius daddy's earliest memory is of being two years of age in her cradle and she was hearing her uncle chant the name of rama the name of god and so she was born into a very religious family a philanthropic family her parents decided that rather than put her in a normal school a pundit would come home and would teach her at home from the scriptures and this continued till age nine and at that time then she went to school just for three years and in three years she managed to pass six different levels um she was a bright student as you can imagine at age 11 she said to her father it was time to study science at school and she said to her father that science might change my mind about god and take me away from god and i don't want that to happen so let me have my further education by going on pilgrimage and so her father set up shop and took her on pilgrimage to the four corners of india and the question that she had for the sages that she would meet on her pilgrimages was tell me your experience of god don't talk to me about god or what the scriptures say tell me your personal experience and from the blank look in their eyes she knew that it was something they were striving for but they hadn't yet come to it tells me that this has been the whole of her life there hasn't been any other interest in her life except to know god and to know the self and secondly to serve humanity not far from where daddy lived another story was just about to unfold the story of dada lekhraj born in a very religious family the son of a school teacher in hyderabad in the state of sindh dada lekhraj had been on a spiritual quest since the early 1930s when he was approaching his age of retirement he underwent a series of visionary experiences that would transform him completely seeking a higher understanding of god and divine truth he created a spiritual gathering called ohm mandalay which later would become the brahma kumaris [Music] and just a few months before he passed away sister jante already had decided which path to follow she would quickly become one of the main voices of the brahmakumaris outside of india and a brilliant spokesperson to make the teachings known at all levels of society what did you do to it i fell over my the handlebars on my bike i went to pick up the laundry now based in london sister jante knows how much daddy chunky's spiritual presence can impact though she meets lord stone came to know daddy and the brahmakumaris over 20 years ago about the same time he joined the house of lords in england thus began 20 years of spiritual friendship that would bring a new perspective to his work around the world [Music] because i'm dyslexic and dyspraxic and um not talented i don't think in a logical linear linguistic way i read people's sort of vibrations and what i get from here is that the vibration is just full of love and compassion and that's what makes me trust them and know that they can be trusted [Music] now what the brahmacal morris and danny jackie in particular taught me was that there isn't only one truth that there's your truth andrew from your culture and there's their truth from their culture and that what you have to do is to open your heart and realize that people have different truths and the trick is to work out how these different truths can live together and therefore you listen to somebody more intently you understand why they believe what they believe and you accept that they believe that and you know that you believe something else and then say well how can we work this out together now this has been massively helpful for me i'm working at the moment with palestinians and israelis and egyptians and jordanians and what i'm able to do and they all can feel this is that i understand their narrative i believe it and i believe it as their narrative i don't believe it as my narrative and i try and share mine and say look how can we work this together when daddy jackie talks to 500 people in a room she doesn't talk to the crowd she talks to everybody individually you see her looking at everybody's eyes even though she does drishti afterwards even when she talks she looks at every individual as she's talking in fact she sits for a moment and looks at everybody and then everybody knows that they're talking she's talking to them and that's how she enables them to get in touch with their best part to enable others to get in touch with their best part this could well summarize daddy's life now well over 100 years old her love for her close friends is always moving to watch her fragile little hands and her magic eyes seem to have served all her life to do just that to enable others to get in touch with their best part [Music] in 2010 daddy junkie decided to revisit where it all started for her [Music] for the first time in over 60 years she returned to pakistan to what had been the indian state of sindh before the partition of india this was where she was born in 1916 [Music] in 1937 brahma-baba had just created a trust to which he surrendered his wealth the trust was composed of young women to look after the growth of the movement for daddy chanky this was walking in the footprints of her past when she met brahma for the first time in that year of 1937. she was out in the park in the early morning hours with her father and she saw this person coming towards them and afterwards she said to her father did you see that and it was clear that he hadn't noticed anything different it was just curtsy and hello and you move on but what she saw was light she didn't see this man she saw this amazing glow of light and that made her understand that something very unique had happened and when she investigated further she found the teachings that were being shared through this man [Music] at that time daddy was only 21 years old and before being able to fully join the group she had to find ways to leave a painful marriage that was imposed upon her when daddy finally moved in with the other women she was asked to take on a very special and at that point she was asked to become the nurse for the community and she took on that role of nursing anybody who was not well and taking care of them even though her own physical health had never been strong he'd already been through pneumonia and tb and all sorts of things but her love for service was such that she took that on and they only called a doctor twice within the space of 14 years for a community of around 300 i think people found her a bit of a loner they found her too serious and they respected her and admired her for what she was doing and of course most of them were beneficiaries from her medical care at some point um but generally the feeling was she's a loner and she's too serious but these years were for daddy yankee an opportunity to create the foundation of what would become her unique ability to impact others in such profound ways she poured herself into her love for study and her love for god for the first 14 years of the institution the men and women that joined almost completely isolated themselves from the rest of the world and focused on their relationship with god and their spiritual study other people didn't recognize her because the work she was doing was quite physical they had no idea of the intense work that was going on in the laboratory of her own mind and the way in which she was reflecting and applying those truths within her own life because she was so intense they sort of left her alone in silence to get on with whatever she was getting on with so other people would have been very surprised within the community but ramababa recognized the jewel that she is people's vision would get focused on brahma-baba rather than the message he was giving you know it always happens you remember the messenger rather than the message and so the message that brahma baba was giving was connect with the divine connect with the divine and so people like daddy janki who loved brahma baba but followed the message and connected with god directly were the ones who had the power and the capacity to carry things forward after brahma baba's departure you [Music] m [Music] energy [Music] [Applause] [Music] from 1974 through to 1978 daddy and i lived in tennyson road and in that period there were some weeks in which it was just daddy and me there's nobody else at all so that was very interesting yeah when daddy junkie arrived in london in 1974 in the house on tennyson road a few senior teachers of the organization had already been there for a few years since 1971 but daddy's presence would change everything every time i go there the memories of the daddies having stayed there comes alive so it's still very sacred and special and so it's a very special place still welcome brothers this room has very good vibrations because daddy and i used to stay there we actually lived here in the night and did classes during the day in the early morning so our early morning meditation was also here [Music] the world was very different we didn't know about terrorist attacks we didn't know about suicide bombs it was a very different world it was around that time that meditation had just come into vogue and people were thinking about you know the flower power people have you heard them the dining table was there and the cooking area was here [Music] in theory i had known that these teachings are for the world but i didn't have any example in front of me to tell me that this is the reality and now i was seeing people of different culture different race different religion come and the way daddy would explain to them i would do some of the teaching but daddy would then meet with them explain further answer their questions and then nurture them through the whole shift from being out there in the world to becoming a yogi still living out there in the world but now with yogic principles [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] yes oladadis are amazing yogis but it take it took somebody like tadi chanky to actually establish something here and she was absolutely the right person because her deep understanding of spirituality and the way she translates it to others and how they're able to then digest it and apply it in their life she makes it so simple and natural and easy and of course demonstrates what she's talking about [Music] [Applause] when there's a true heart it's a strong heart thank you many people would say she's very serious and i think back and i say yes she was probably but she was here for 40 years so the latter part um she would be so humorous she wouldn't take a class without having several pauses for laughter in between jahan ke nuru [Music] so the quality of her classes changed the way she interacted with people changed she was much more loving in an expressive way not just in a deep silent yogic way when she came in 74 i think it would have been difficult to imagine daddy dancing and then the last few times that she came to london that's what she would say let's dance [Music] from a small little apartment on tennyson road daddy chanky brought the brahmakumaris to the level of a full international organization the main center in london became the international headquarters for centers outside of india reaching out to countries all over the world and every location would develop a unique relationship with daddy chunky so her faith and her commitment created this building i absolutely believe that architects were involved contractors were involved financial people were involved engineers were involved of course but it was that is faith and commitment that actually made it a reality and the same for oxford [Music] it was also datijanki who inspired the brahmakumaris to purchase in 1993 a unique property in oxford this would become a retreat center where thousands of people would come every year for spiritual renewal [Music] yeah i think i must been 26 something like that today manda patel oversees the activities at the retreat center looking back at her life shows clearly how much it was her relationship with daddy junkie that helped shape her destiny [Music] and by the time i was 21 i don't know something just made me feel like i really need to think about what do i want do i really want to do this thing that you know everybody there's a part of me that did want to get married and did want to be kind of you know have a happy life like that but then there was a part of me that felt that there's there's got to be more to life than that there's just got to be more she really had an impact on me from the first moment i met her and somehow the things she would say about me made me feel that i would know myself through her and i think i'm not the only one that she's done that for she's done that for a lot of people and and i think her speciality really is that she makes you feel seen the moment you're in front of her is that there is nobody else that exists for her except you in that moment i don't she touches my heart where i feel no one else touches in the sense that she makes me feel something deep inside me that comes to surface and as i can genuinely say there aren't i can't think of anybody else who makes me feel like that she's the only one who can move me to tears actually i can say only one there aren't many people that can move me to tears just being in their presence i can just be making that eye contact with her and i could be the genji start to flow and here we go [Music] well she worked on me a lot sometimes she worked on me with love and sometimes she worked on me with taking a little stick when i was misbehaving a little bit she was tough she she had high expectations of you and she but you know i thought that she saw my potential and had the high expectations and i felt that i could i i i just i danced i danced to the tune and i know that some who couldn't they just kind of got out the way she always had a very high vision for people when she saw the potential she she never let go of that even when they didn't see it i would be upset with her sometimes i would say something to her i'd do something with her and she would she would kind of well don't do that or don't say that or something and then i'd say fine i'm not gonna say that don't ask me again i did that with her a couple of times and i have to say i kind of she played different roles for me she was a teacher she was a friend i could say things that i was having difficulty with probably with her more than i could probably could with anybody else because i kind of felt like she was always sympathetic or she would understand and she said don't worry about it she would make me feel that even if you're going through difficult times right now it's gonna be okay and she trusted me to go through it and come out the other side heavy i'm in the garment business and actually the company i work for is the largest men's sportswear company in the united states currently and the job that i do is called sourcing so what sourcing does is um when the designers design the collection it's our responsibility now to make it a reality so we have to find the fabrics we have to find the fabric mills we have to be concerned about the quality of the garment and we have to ensure that the garments arrive into the united states on time it's nothing it's easy as pie and my stress levels are low et cetera now i do actually have high blood pressure [Music] oh my god this is the biggest meeting we've ever had brad arkham is highly skilled in interacting with others but when he met daddy janki after joining the promo kumaris in 1986 nothing magical happened it will take years and many experiences with her before he could really create a strong bond with daddy daddy janky came to my office in 1997 actually it was very interesting the day that she came i had set up the one of the showrooms we had downstairs was i set it up i was like really excited and everything was ready and 30 minutes before show time the power of my building went out the phone system went down and the power went out for no reason and i was so stressed like daddy's coming i got her to come this is no small thing the power is out and all that was on was one emergency light in the showroom of the office and i'm like oh what's going to happen what's going to happen well what happened was was actually really quite interesting because the power was out because the phones were down every single person in the office had nothing to do they all filed into the showroom 100 people and i was expecting maybe 15 20 max because this is back in 1997 so you know some people might have been curious but you know most people weren't interested and he said meditation it didn't mean anything to anybody at that time and since we're an import company she told everybody which was really amazing she said you have to import power from god and export that power to people and actually one of the salesmen in the room who was like a real jokester real character told me that in the meditation he actually had a vision of christ in the showroom and after that everybody was totally touched for years later everybody i go in their cubicle people kept for 10 15 years they kept the program up and daddy's little uh some little note card that they gave out of the program they kept it up like pinned on their walls [Music] for me it's the same pattern like i i'm not i don't consider myself when i'm in a big job and i maybe exude a an extroverted personality and i'm i'm not necessarily shy but i'm i'm extremely um unsure of myself like very insecure like i have no sometimes i have no clue really what my qualities are after all this time like i know i hear about them people tell me about them but i i just don't buy into them like who are they talking to like who's behind me you know but the one thing that daddy's done for me it's like been the ultimate confidence builder i mean she just like she's seeing something in me that i just don't see and and every time i leave that room like i feel more empowered [Music] [Applause] as the world keeps on moving at a fast speed in a spin of constant change daddy junkies ability to remain so determined to share god's love with the world seems to give to many the strength to return to the spiritual core of their being okay so this is a very personal story so i have no capacity to love myself i find it very difficult i can love other people but then when i try to love myself i find it really difficult because as i say i had an abusive childhood daddy tries to reverse that and she can and she is massively perceptive so i if i can tell you um so about 10 years ago when she was 93 and i've been coming here for 10 years at the end of a talk to everybody she offers you tolley which is a lovely suite which i like which is grown with love and um pick with love and cook with love and give them with love she gives you tally and she gives you drishti which is she's channeling love into your eyes she does it with 50 100 people each individually after every talk so i've been coming here for some years i kneel in front of her i take the totally i look at her she said see me afterwards so i thought oh what have we done wrong so i had to wait till everybody finished i go to a room i take my shoes off she said andrew i've been giving totally addressed to millions of people and i give you drifty and everybody knows that i am a spiritual being and i can channel from god and give you love everybody else opens their heart takes it you sit down there and you try to give me drishti emperor she said i'm 93. you cannot seduce me i am telling you you have to open your heart and let me give you love okay and i'm gonna do it now and she went to do it and it really hurt but i was able to take that and for the first time i was able to feel that i could accept and deserve love now only when you love yourself can you give real love and that's what she does and if we can all of us accept that we are lovable and love others because they're the same as us then that's how she helps security over the past decades daddy's voice has reached millions all over the world the past 60 years of my life have been dedicated her words have touched the minds and hearts of leaders in countless countries something that would have been impossible to imagine in the 1930s when daddy and the other young women were being insulted and threatened for their choice of leading a non-traditional spiritual life who could have imagined at that time that these young women would one day become highly regarded spiritual leaders dwina murphy gibb revisits the brahmakumari's retreat center in oxford and her friend manda years have passed since the death of her husband robin gibb singer with the famous band the bee gees but memories of daddy are still fresh in the last few years of his life robin gibb came very close to daddy junkie and was greatly inspired by her for his songs so tell me do you remember the first time you met daddy i met daddy when they were doing a sort of global peace thing in in miami in your house in miami so do you remember your first impression of daddy when i saw daddy it reminded me of um you know star wars yes yeah the little wise person what's it called yeah yeah suddenly you know there's this caution and uh just this lovely feeling um in her presence you know this sort of lovely feeling of just peacefulness and contentment and smiling and i just felt very very happy [Music] i think she has that effect on everyone just makes them feel happy and then you forget and he kind of worries you know i think well this is something i would like to ask daddy you know or maybe there's some problem i have i would right like to ask and as soon as i'm in front of her i've forgotten my problems are gone [Music] i i actually witnessed robin meeting daddy a few times and always felt his willingness to come and meet daddy and be with her you know robin was lovely just sort of um i think he fell in love with daddy a bit you know whenever she came to the house and was talking to her and he was very he fell close to her wisdom daddy just talking her wisdom coming through and things was also almost like auditory you know i can't explain but he felt it was coming from somewhere else as well you know she was a conduit for something that was um also fantastic in his life when he was writing his music oh i've got some photographs wow look at [Music] you very that what about that robin had written a song didn't he yes mother of love yeah tell me about that he was inspired to write the song mother of love [Applause] it's a very special day today for a very special woman daddy janke is 90 years old today being 90 is a great achievement in itself but she's a very very special woman and a great inspiration to me and this next song is a brand new song that i wrote for her i know we were going to wembley and he still had it written on the paper do you remember he was actually holding the paper reading it because he was singing everything we have in life is changing you are all i need to keep me still [Music] mother of love angel of light [Music] you know sometimes i look at her love for for god and i said i just wish i had like a 20th of that like where does that come from you know even when she said she was even before she came to the brahma kumari she had a love for god i never did i had a respect you know but an awareness there was a guy but i had no feelings of love or devotion at all keep me warm always be my lighthouse in the storm sometimes i i just want to taste that for like one second like what is that life [Music] [Music] you have saved this song [Music] today daddy is invited to join the celebrations for the 80th anniversary of the brahmakumaris she has been at the head of the organization for almost 10 years and now at more than one hundred years old she still finds the energy to continue daddy program [Music] logo [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] when one understands how fragile dottie's health has been for her entire life and sees how much she has accomplished it's natural to wonder about how she will be remembered in the future will this exemplary life become a memorial to inspire spiritual seekers to uplift their own lives and for those who received so much benefit from her how will they honor her memory in their personal lives [Music] when then she became less and less present you felt that missing you really did feel that missing that now actually you've got to create that god's presence for yourself [Music] and nowadays people are asking me like i need to meditate uh the other office we have in new york asked if they could have meditation classes as well um and i never actually pushed it human resources approached me about it they said can we have meditation on site [Music] and i think when daddy um does leave it will be uh it will be a big loss but the only way to honor you know her life will be to you know to become everything that she's pumped into me one day i hope that i will actually you know make good on all of those things that she has told me about myself i feel that i i need to like honor her and you know what she's you know all the time i spent with her by actually you know doing that [Music] if you're not walking your talk it doesn't matter what you're saying to people they might hear little bits and dribbles of things but they're not going to really be impacted until you're actually you know really walking that talk so it's just helped me walk that talk [Music] i realized this is a film uh dedicated to daddy and therefore i think that what you'd like me to see say is that what i feel now and again is daddy's love and it helps me but no the way she influences more than anything else is that when i feel i'm just going the wrong way i see that finger going like this and she i can see daddy saying don't do that and that happens quite often i know that i have to make myself very strong that at least i helped her up until this age you know to keep her going and yeah you know no one's going to live eternally before you know like all these years when i was just helping her and you know like it it was like you know just a helper and you know that is carer [Music] but now it's more that motherly love it's different it's intense now that that's my little baby and you know i have to take care of this little baby you know with whatever energy whatever you know however i can't [Music] there are not many people who are able to touch heads and hearts that he's able to do that she's truly an instrument for god's love and god's love will make your heart melt okay i know that there's destiny and there's god and there's effort and all of that but no i wouldn't be what i am today if it were not for daddy's [Music] the hearts and lives she's touched this is the legacy and just like people here in this room um we've all been touched by daddy and so i think that this is maybe the biggest legacy you can leave touching people's lives [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] you4d:T1598,seeing into being is a brahma-kumari's initiative to affirm a golden age for humanity current world affairs show the need for a clear strong vision for the future although much of the postmodern world indulges in a dialogue of cynicism we believe that most people really crave a beautiful new world through this initiative we seek answers to these questions can we create our own future is a golden age a realistic aim or just a romantic distraction can large collectives affirm a positive future together out of the vast array of consciousness research we will explore four areas that help us answer these questions the first area is the placebo researchers see the placebo as one of the most significant developments in 20th century medicine in the fascinating placebo response a positive belief in a remedy's efficacy triggers a healing response as effective as conventional therapy one to two-thirds of all patients show marked improvement in symptoms simply by believing they were given effective treatment even when that treatment is just a sugar pill researchers are now convinced that no system of the body is exempt from the placebo effect which operates in virtually every healing encounter even more intriguing the placebo is sometimes more potent than normal medicinal drugs beyond the central nervous system the hormonal system and the immune system there are two other systems traditionally overlooked that must be recognized as essential to a human body's proper functioning the healing and belief systems researchers argue that the two work together the healing system mobilizes all of the body's resources to combat disease the belief system often activates the healing system the power of positive suggestion redirects the mind and through the mind the body toward a positive goal the second one is pygmalion in the classic pygmalion study teachers are told on the basis of credible information that some of their students possess exceptionally high potential while others do not unknown to the teachers however high potential students were selected at random all student groupings have equal potential and are merely dubbed as high regular or low potential as the experiment unfolds differences quickly emerge not from any innate intelligence factor but solely on the teachers manipulated expectations over time subtle changes among students evolve into clear differences as the so-called high potential students begin to significantly overshadow all others in actual achievement over the last 40 years hundreds of empirical studies reveal this phenomena these studies show how the human self changes in relation to the mental projections of others not only do performance levels change but so do more deeply rooted self-conceptions pygmalion effects have been experimentally generated in as little time as 15 minutes and have the apparent capacity to transform the course of a lifetime the pygmalion study's greatest value is that it suggests the transactional basis of the human self to understand the self as a social creation is to recognize that human beings are essentially modifiable open to new development and are products of the human imagination and mind ourselves and our future reality are made and imagined by seeing into being the third one is cynicism a whole series of recent studies focus on the inner dialogue of individuals groups organizations and whole societies concluding that postmodern society lives within an internal dialogue of cynicism especially disturbing our reports that many of our children today grow up in family settings where up to 90 percent of the home's internal dialogue is negative that is what not to do how bad things are what was done wrong who is to blame we must recognize that all human systems are conditioned by their internal dialogues our minds are immersed in a number of environments family school church play and even scientific communities that shape the way we perceive experience and imagine reality we must therefore ask the question what should we see into being in order to maximize human potential the last research area we will explore is the effect of positive images as a dynamic force in culture in a sweeping study of western civilization the dutch sociologist fred pollock reinforces that a positive image of the future is the single most important dynamic for understanding cultural evolution he says the rise and fall of images of the future precedes or accompanies the rise and fall of cultures as long as a society's image is positive and flourishing the flower of culture is in full bloom once the image begins to decay and lose its vitality however the culture does not long survive of special note here anthropologists have shown that certain tribes have actually given up and allowed themselves to die when their images of the future have become too bleak in summary seeing into being engages the remarkable human gift of being a creative agent in the construction of reality we see what our visions allow us to say since we see what our imagination permits us to see and seeing is believing a vision for the future is potentially a game changer depending on the strength vitality and force of the given vision if we can really see into being then what kinds of visions are we generating and why can we develop or enhance a golden age for all of humanity seeing into being initiative builds on the scientific discovery that our vision for the future is self-fulfilling so my dear viewers what is your vision who will you become you4e:T927,hello my name is golo pils and i'm from germany i lived the last 20 years in india and practiced meditation with the brahma kumar since the last 30 years i'm the advisor for renewable energy towards the brahma kumaris and i'm heading at the moment india one which is a one megawatt solar thermal power station coming up in rajasthan the aim of the project is to set up a one megawatt solar power station and demonstrate storage as well as continuous operation we all are aware that for clean technology and for a broad introduction of clean technology storage is very important and local solutions are very important our aim is to develop such a technology which is reliable which is cost effective and which has a storage so it can be utilized on demand and we are working closely with the german government and with the indian government to bring this technology to india and replicate it at a later stage at a very reasonable cost and we are already in contact with many organizations with many companies and we hope that india one is the beginning of a development in the right direction our team from the brahma kumas we have volunteers around 50 volunteers are working there on the site and we are all yogis so we're getting up early in the morning we're meditating and we manufacture all the parts ourselves we have a big manufacturing setup there we've engaged around 200 workers and we cut the steel we weld the steel we paint the steel we erect ourselves so the whole plant from a to set from the electronic from the tracking everything is in-house developed and it's our own technology so including funding including manpower including technology it takes a bit more so we hope that totally we will take around four years to build and complete the plant of course at a later stage the plant can be replicated at a much faster speed and everything goes as per the plan and we hope that in march 2016 we can push the button and the project will be operational we feel they're all very blessed to do such a project where we can bring spirituality with clean technology together and it is our hope that the people around the globe will be inspired not only to replicate the technology but also to start meditating because we feel if there's a peace of mind technology is better and this is a good guidance towards the future [Music] you4f:T2acb,sit comfortably and allow your body to relax your mind is quiet and still [Music] you know daddy janky is the best kept secret in the world who is daddy [Music] one of the spiritual giants you know that have come to the full expression of what a human being can be she's just like that she's smart she is a little bit irreverent she is the one who will tell you what's true about you and you have to rise to the vision that she has for you and that's a challenge and she started talking to me about conscience and how our conscience has become clouded with so many influences and i said well how does one clean the conscience and she said through meditation and i thought i have to learn meditation [Music] and so i always feel as if i am not doing anything but it's the hopes of the supreme the feelings of the supreme that are being translated through me that are working through me and benefiting others it's my heart it's my mind and it's the eyes that are enabling things to be done and that we have to use the power of peace in everything we do [Music] [Music] started in karachi in 1937. and daddy janki joined them just around a year and a half later and she was at that point 21 years old the whole community of the brahmakamaris around 300 of them were engaged in deep intense meditation through until 1950 when they came to india to mount abu wow and so because of her long years with brahma baba and also her own quality of lifestyle they gave her the term daddy which means elder sister is a term of love and respect and in 1974 she came abroad her first stop was london and from london she started to serve the whole world basically [Music] at the age of 92 then took on the mantle of leadership of the whole organization and so she started a new job age 92 at that time and age 95 today she stole travels over the world age is not a factor the spirit is eternal and very strong [Music] [Applause] [Music] do [Music] in short i will tell you that it's because i haven't wasted my thoughts and my energy that's why i have a lot of strength today pure and positive thoughts help me to accumulate strength and through these good wishes the self receives strength and others also receive strength from me [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] i'm organizing every year leadership journeys with my top business leaders and we went to visit mount abu so we found an organization that had sold nothing but seemed to have enough money has no roles and goals no manuals no variable pay no bonus schemes no shares and was very well organized and there you learned about a leader like daddy jenki was the head of a large organization that there is another way of leading organizations not necessarily by structure and processes but more by yeah the power of who she is and so not by the power of position but by the power of her being if you if you take business leaders to daddy and say look look at her this young alternate young and mind woman is an incredible leader of a very large organization of volunteers and if we can get to her level of leadership then we also have an organization of volunteers although we still pay them even well it is a paradox because the brahma kumaris really are the only women's led spiritual organization in the world and daddy janky as their leader is of a woman which is very unusual the vision of the founder of the brahma kumaris of brahma baba was that there was a time when women needed to go into a leadership role and i've also heard stories many times from india in the early days when the women the sisters the early bks would go into a situation and they would automatically receive much more friendship and peace back from people because they were women the way i look upon it that the brahma kumar has found out a system a spiritual system that is very easy easily attainable for a lot of people because being spiritual and being very well developed spiritually is nice you know but in the end of the day yeah we are in the world here is where it has to happen and you have to be that's at least my opinion you have to be okay with yourself here all the work that happens around here whether it's the cooking or the cleaning or the washing or the office or the garden or reception everything is done by the people who live and work here who are volunteers who are meditators and and everything they do actually is an expression of their love and that's why they don't charge for what they offer [Music] [Music] [Music] hey [Music] [Music] i like to feel positive about the future of the world but then i see i turn on the news and i just see one horrible story after another muhammad saw what do i feel is important is that i the soul make the effort to create an internal state that is so stable that enables others to become stable whatever is happening inside is what creates the situation outside sometimes when it's a situation of problems and difficulties we don't want to believe it we'd like to think that the problems are out there and i'm quite separate but not true whatever is going on inside of me has made the situation happen in the way it has and so to try and put things right i have to sort things out inside first then i can deal with the situation that's outside understanding say realize and so first of all i need to have this understanding of introversion talk no evil hear no evil and speaking and god has taught us think no evil thinking look if you want to change your character if you want to serve the world in this way then every thought you know you have to look at every thought what's the thought you're holding in your mind that is generating the actions that you're taking now that is a big challenge and when the quality of our thoughts become pure and peaceful then there's a lot of freedom inside a lot of lightness inside that i've become free from what is negative and unnecessary and then the face begins to bloom i'll tell you the story of what happened in the year 2000 for the first time the united nations brought together religious and spiritual leaders to the united nations for the millennium peace summit daddy champion was representing the brahma-kumaris and it was a very beautiful gathering very powerful and there was one particular session where we met with the under secretary generals and assistant secretary generals of the different departments of the u.n each one of them was talking about their own particular section the environment children at risk disarmament finance international labour and each one of them had the same story to tell and their story was that when the un had started they had less money less technical information less technology in terms of equipment less human resources less of everything but even after all these years of putting in all of this energy on all these different levels the situation now was worse than it had been at the start of the u.n and they said that we were looking at the subject and thinking well what's happened what can we do about it and they said we realized that it's not all of these resources that can change the situation but the only way the situation can change if human hearts and human conscience goes through a change and this is why we've called all of you together sometimes people say today that you know people have hot heads and cold hearts but you have to switch it around has to be warm hearts and cool heads that are looking at the situation so only when there's a change within human individuals can we bring about change within the world we may have come from many different countries and cultures within our hearts i think we hold the same vienna of a better world of greater security peace justice understanding and respect for all people once we have seen in the eye of our mind that such a world can and should exist it is a responsibility to help make it happen but it is what is in our house that builds a lovely home [Music] [Music] [Music] music is [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] when we use the word organization we think it should operate like a company does systems and policies these words don't apply to us because actually we're a family and the word policy and systems don't apply in a family in a family there's give and take you might argue you might you have good times there are hard times part of the touch these five fingers are detached and that love is imperishable what you up think it can't be destroyed and it can't be disconnected and within that love is merged peace and happiness family feeling and because of peace love and happiness there's a family feeling that is generated this is how the world needs to be created and so what are we doing now we are creating this world of happiness it is a family of these pure and happy relationships on what basis it's because each one takes directly from the supreme [Music] oh [Music] on who i am who i really am when i began this study and started hearing ideas like you're a soul you're a child of god the truth about you is that your love and peace and joy all of these things actually they went in one ear and out of the other in the sense that some memory stirred inside that there was a truth there but the intellect couldn't really handle these ideas because it was so matter-oriented to be alone a soul alone in this body and when i raise myself into the consciousness of being that soul then i'm able to draw that supreme power from the supreme if a soul starts thinking about spirituality by understanding spiritual knowledge their life can be transformed and that's what her mission in life is to transform souls away from materialism to spirituality to bring them closer to god [Music] ah [Music] [Music] [Music] this is the work that we need to do in the world today so daddy of course uh always talks about her connection with god all the time and i have great difficulties with that and i found a way around it so whenever she speaks about god i write god with two o's and i ultimately believe that is what she really means when she says connect to god what you really do mentally and emotionally you you connect the good and i think when she says first connect to god i say first connect to good and then we're on the same page again and the bhagwan the awareness that god is my companion yes there is the first awareness that god is my mother and my father and that i belong to god as a child and then secondly in whoever's company i remain it becomes easy to become like them daddy is in love with god now sometimes people say to me have you watched the movies at the cinema and i said why should i watch something that's made up but this is a practical life story if i was to begin sharing this love story with you then i would become lost in love [Music] me [Music] hey [Music] thank you for your inspiration [Music] thank you for your recognition [Music] of [Music] thank you for your sweet compassion [Music] truth thank you for walking on this earth thank you for being you [Music]50:T176d,foreign [Applause] feeling relaxed well so are some of the farmers and their crops in India right now A few days ago the Indian agriculture Minister Rada Mohan Singh endorsed something called yogic farming telling Farmers they could Empower their seeds with positivity environmental anthropologists Amazon Ramsey spent five years as an NGO representative to the United Nations for the Brahma camarus an Indian faith-based organization it's their meditation practice that's being used in yogic farming hi well hi so were you surprised to hear the Indian agriculture Minister getting behind this kind of farming not not really I mean you know it's it's part of kind of Indian cosmology and world view the whole kind of spiritual thing I would be surprised if Barnaby Joyce suddenly said it that no it wasn't that surprised look I love the way you've just Incorporated a little bit of contemporary politics there if yes if Barnaby Joyce said it you're right we would all be alarmed but what is it explain it to me this farming practice okay well it's it's a way of combining mind and heart-based meditation practices along with traditional modes of organic farming so that's basically what it is explain what happens okay um were there a different should I tell you how to start it or okay give me some history all right well I mean people probably know that farming in India is pretty difficult farmers are in debt a lot of suicides that kind of thing um and there were a group of farmers who went to The Meditation Center and they were struggling with debt um buying fertilizers and pesticides so the sisters there um suggested that they do meditation the farmers refused saying look I know we meditate but this is my livelihood I'm not going to kind of meditate over my livelihood exactly more secure um so anyway this farmer had an arid piece of land that wasn't nothing was growing on it he gave it to the sisters and said if you want to do it you do it but I'm gonna get my chemicals and do my thing as best I can so they they worked on that land for a year they empowered seed they sat meaning that they would put seeds in the meditation room and send intentional positive vibrations and thoughts to that seed that it should become powerful that that seed should bear grapefruit that kind it should reach its ultimate potential things like that um and then they would sit in the earth and imagine I know it sounds wacky it works you are reading my face aren't you well I am the listeners can't read my face but you did a very good job there yes to me it sounds well well it sounds like it lacks science however that was the beginning but then um then one of the farmers it kind of spread farmer to Farmer they started having some results and farmer to Farmer people started finding out about it then they did an inauguration they're like inaugurating things in India and they invited a representative from a university I think a dean of an agricultural University he got interested so for the last four years there have been scientific studies on yogic farming and what if these scientific studies on yogic farming found okay um some of the studies I know about they compared they had four different plots they compared chemical farming organic farming yogic which is Meditation Plus organic and then they had a control where nothing was added at all they found unequivocally um with some crops more than others but there was always greater root germination greater soil microbial activity a higher calorie content higher fat higher protein and they would get more for their crops at the market because the quality of the crop looked better um how replicable it is I mean be amazing to can you imagine trying it here I don't know but no Come on Barbie yeah you want to get Barnaby into it you've done some research on this yourself you've visited some Indian Farmers practicing this technique I did what did you find are you convinced um it's hard not to be convinced I mean the quantitative side is one thing that was done by the agricultural scientists but I was kind of interested in how it affects their day-to-day life how it affects their relationship with their livelihood and it was interesting I spoke a lot with the women in the family it's the wives of the farmers and they were the first ones to tell me about the change in their husbands and Father's Behavior um the fact that they were Karma they weren't getting angry there was less violence in the community there was less frustration one farmer and it's the picture that you're going to put up of that couple um on the RN drive on the website um he he actually he he was a bit I don't know if I should well anyway he was extremely depressed and um he um he just started working with this meditation practice and as he worked with it he developed a sense of reverence for his work and then a deeper sense of self-respect as the instrument for that craft so to speak now he treats his farm like it's a temple um and and his whole demeanor has changed his whole his self-esteem has has grown has increased there are reports of it uh reducing Pharma suicide that's a that's an anecdotal report from the farming communities so I mean it has you know that kind of um qualitative validity so I just think with those quantitative results and that anecdotal those anecdotal stories as well um I mean I've got bucket loads of stories about that this is fascinating well I want to thank you for stopping in and talking to us about it it did well next time I've got Barnaby Joyce on I'm going to put it around so if he knows anything about yogic farming oh let's do it okay thank you so much for joining us and that's Dr Thomas and Ramsey environmental Anthropologist and advocate of yogic farming practices giving us her take on this story about the Indian agriculture Minister recommending farmers in that country should Empower their seeds with positivity you're listening to RN drive I'm Patricia carvellas taking you through to 7 30.51:Tcea1,hi everyone and welcome back to open your eyes to the universe i'm gabriel martin if you're joining this program for the first time open your eyes to the universe as a series of contemporary talks conversations open-eyed meditations and also interviews with people who inspire and people who uplift others by sharing their wisdom their insights and their experiences with us as we begin the universe team would like to acknowledge aboriginal and torres strait islander peoples as the traditional custodians of the land upon which we meet and we pay our respects to the elders of the past the present and the future and acknowledge their spiritual connection to country we also acknowledge and respect the wise elder within us all and the collective wisdom of all those here this evening so last month on universe we were in conversation with three inspirational women living diverse lives and each exploring and living the feminine in different ways angelica fangill from chile a social leader maureen o'connor from australia with a background in education organizational development and family therapy and philippa blackham from england an award-winning documentary maker and radio presenter our speakers were exploring the feminine from an empowering spiritual perspective and you can check that out on our website tonight we're going to take a look at soul consciousness with our special guest denise lawrence the practice of soul consciousness is known to bring huge benefits to yourself to your relationships with others and of course to the atmosphere in the natural world denise is a highly accomplished meditation teacher so i know you're going to enjoy what she has to offer she's also a spiritual author a broadcaster and has been an international speaker on rashford meditation in related subjects over many decades she travels widely conducting retreats seminars and conferences and more so online these days she's a pioneer she's naturally creative and has a keen ability to translate metaphysical concepts into practical understandings and solutions to daily challenges in these post-modern and posthumous times now you may recall that denise was with us on universe in september 2020 quite a while back and she was exploring the topic of internal balancing with us i can recall one of her key messages about internal balancing where she was saying that it doesn't mean you take off the top and the bottom of the scale but rather internal balancing is about being able to span the bridge of the highest and the lowest you know of the deepest dark and the brightest light and that meditation gives us an inner power to stay balanced while experiencing that full spectrum of human emotion [Music] so tonight denise is back with us and she joins us from france and our conversation is on soul consciousness we'll be discussing what is soul consciousness what are the benefits of being soul conscious how to practice soul consciousness and we're going to take a look at how it actually transforms our inner and our outer worlds look as always viewers we really welcome your participation and your questions and thanks to those who've sent them in already if any of you would like to ask a question as we move along just please pop it in the chat box and we'll pitch your questions in the q a so denise it's a pleasure to have you with us tonight and joining us on open your eyes to the universe for a second time a very warm welcome back to down under thank you so much gabriel it is really delightful to be here and um hello from france uh it's morning time here and a beautiful day is about to happen and yeah soul consciousness what is soul consciousness um of course consciousness well what exactly is consciousness awareness what is the meaning of awareness what are the different kinds of awareness and to be aware of yourself as a soul what does that imply what does that feel like who are you anyway we're going to go into some of those ideas and well the first thing is that you have to really think about your identity and most people's identity is tied up with their looks gender orientation [Music] race culture color class professional arena that you operate in are you a sporty type are you a philosophical type are you having fun [Music] um what is your existence about so these um these aspects of identity are external and soul consciousness takes you to the inside so what are you on the inside and the inside of what well it is the inside of your body we can't really say that the soul is sitting somewhere inside your body and that with a bit of investigation you could find it um people have tried a great deal but what is really a soul we know soul music is all about deep feeling and intense emotions and in fact the soul is where your feelings and emotions sit do you have a soul or do you have a body this is really another aspect of soul consciousness i think we would say bud consciousness is i am a body and i have a soul and soul consciousness is the other way around i'm a soul and i have a body um and we would say in soul consciousness that that that would be correct to to identify the self i am the being who gives life to this body so the soul is really the animating force and being conscious of the self as a soul means to really be aware of this subtle intangible almost indefinable energy that gives life to the body sometimes people speak of the spark of life and in fact the soul is like a spark a spark of energy light and it contains all the capability of awareness consciousness perception interpretation intelligence feelings the whole spectrum of emotions even when you talk about your heart um the heart is really the core of the being so the the heart is really in the soul and your heart is not the blood beating pump that keeps us alive but the soul actually gives the energy to the heart to beat and uh send the blood around and and keep us alive the soul gives the energy of the lungs to breathe and all of this is really unknown in the medical and scientific world it is suspected it is talked about um but because it is not physical and you can't find it through normal investigation means it remains an idea but how do i know these things how do i study these things there is a whole uh area of study which is called spiritual study which is kind of philosophical but um it's all to do with the dimension of human experience the inner world and it is non-physical so soul consciousness also means that you are really aware of yourself and operating knowing that you are a spiritual being operating through a physical body and your physical body is material in fact it's an object but when you're soul conscious you really make a separation between thinking of yourself as an object and thinking of yourself as really a being and this is important because there is a lot of objectification of the human body you were talking last time about the feminine and one of the issues that comes up is that women are usually considered as objects and sexual objects and that is the objectification of the woman who is thought of um in terms of the body the attraction of the body and then whatever else is not of interest and so for women and men to think of themselves as souls means you start seeing the person you acquire the capacity to look right through the body and see the being inside which means that soul consciousness is about shifting your perception and shifting the way you use your eyes you see when you're in body consciousness you just see objects when you're in soul consciousness you see the invisible the intangible behind the object and you relate to that it's very interesting that you're in australia new zealand very conscious of the aboriginal peoples and of course i lived many many years in america and had good connection with the native peoples in united states and canada and the ancient people were naturally very conscious of the energy behind what you can see with your eyes so i would say that that kind of consciousness is pretty close to soul consciousness but not exactly as i have come to understand it but there are so many different levels and degrees of perception so perceiving a person as a person not the body you have this expression don't don't judge a book by the cover which doesn't refer to books it refers to people and um people dress a certain way they will present themselves in a certain way so that people will consider them according to that way that they have positioned themselves but a self-conscious person will see through that because what you want to deal with is the actual person not the um the presentation that a person shows you which is like a mask and so consciousness is to understand the necessity of mask but not to be limited by the mask your face is anyway a mask and you express whatever is going on in your being through your face by your facial expressions and you can also hide what is going on inside by putting on a facial expression that doesn't correspond with who you are and so this creates a um a dichotomy between who you are and who you present yourself as and the thing is that in body consciousness you lose contact with who you are and you adopt the mask and consider the mask to be the self so consciousness says uh of course you have to have a mask you need a face but do not lose contact with the owner of the face the being who is looking through the eyes and seeing another person's face looking right through that face and sensing the person within the person behind so soul consciousness means that you are activating a capacity for perceiving beings and you become very clear that what you're perceiving the intangible the subtle that you're perceiving is actually the reality and you are not um confusing the covering with the reality that is behind the covering and so consciousness means that you're all the time functioning with this dual world you have the external visible tangible world and then the internal invisible intangible world that you can perceive directly with your mind because your mind is an instrument of the soul now a lot of people and don't really look at the mind like that but um in the practice of spirituality that i do which is called raj yoga it's all about the study of the mind and how it works and the soul who is the um the wielder of the power of the mind the power of intelligence the power of personality and uh so it takes us into the realm of psychology spirituality and all of those things about how you feel so what is us all exactly um it's not really a what but it's more like a who so in soul consciousness you think about this question who am i if you look at the question what am i you'll say okay i i'm a spiritual being but then um you want to go into the aspect of who who that is because every individual is a spiritual being and all spiritual beings are in essence pure peaceful loving bright uh beautiful blissful now imagine that you're your essential state of being is that you live in a state of bliss and in a dimension of light and then you come into action through your body you do whatever you decide to do and you respond to what's ever around you according not to what it is but according to who you are so this is a shift of consciousness normally or in body consciousness which is the uh contrasting and opposing consciousness of soul consciousness uh you you function according to what's going on around you and you feel um according to that because your consciousness is absolutely stuck in your organs of sense perception you're in your eyes in your ears in your nose in your fingers and you are absolutely pulled into the material world to such an extent that it's very easy to lose contact with the inner world and most people just don't have contact so we need to practice to to see the contrast between the moments when we're body conscious and the moments when we're so conscious because it keeps shifting one to the other your default position is body consciousness even though the essential state of a being is soul consciousness but what has happened to the soul the soul has energy and over time the energy of the soul has been depleted and so when your uh any device that you may have runs out of energy runs out of juice then you start thinking about where's my charger and where is the electric socket so that i can charge it up again because otherwise my machine will be dead and it's the same with life the soul is the energy that makes everything function and when the energy level is low it functions at only a small percentage of its full capacity and so soul consciousness is something that we practice because it makes it possible to re-energize the depleted soul and signs of a depleted soul are that you do not have control over your emotions you are easily manipulated you come under different influences you can be more ruled by your emotions than your wisdom and um you know i'm i'm here in france and and there's an expression there's an expression that's used in france which is quite amusing when anybody uh cannot control themselves they say it's stronger than me and and if you analyzed that idea that the things that are influencing you are stronger than you you would say well ah that is not a good arrangement i need to be in my power so that there isn't anything that is stronger than me and this very advantage in relationships and and also when you're experiencing discomfort mental emotional physical discomfort everybody experiences this but then it takes over why does it take over because the soul is depleted so you say to yourself well if that's the issue then i need to take care of this situation and regenerate my energy and so this is what meditation is about this is what yoga is about and in a few moments we will do some meditation exercises to practice this because although the state of soul consciousness is the essential original condition of the soul but in a depleted state then body consciousness is the default condition so that means you have to make effort to get back into your power effort to get back to being who you are and this is what is meant by spiritual practice so let us um take a moment and just um practice this so what what you do do how should you practice this first of all where exactly is your soul in in the body although it's not really in the body but it's associated with the forehead and so in the center of the forehead is known as the seat of the soul so just think of yourself as a beautiful bright star that is just by the by the forehead feel yourself to be there and consider yourself to be behind your eyes you know this extraordinary subtle star of light looking out through your eyes and just feel that distance for a moment you are listening through the ears there is this space between your essential self and what you perceive in the outside world where you are on the inside you are returning to your natural state of peace what you're seeing may be disturbances distractions but what your being is calm and still you may hear loud noises dissonance but yet your state of inner quiet is there you are more powerful than the impact of your sense perception go deeper inside you can feel your body your skeleton your skin and feel yourself being not the same as your body just feel your light your strength and your attention on the self brings you to a different dimension you feel yourself to be in a dimension of light and able to interact with the world of matter from that space really you are a master when you are detached in this way you're not denying your body or the material world simply you have shifted your position and you are connected with yourself primarily and then you operate in the material world sustained peace sustained brightness sustained freedom is there this is soul consciousness you're coming more and more into your power you are genderless colorless completely free from the impact of other people's projection they project on your body they cannot see you but you can see them your inner eye is open you see yourself you are aware that everyone else is like this a spiritual being functioning through the material body but they are caught in it and you are getting free hold steady and savor that inner bright quiet feel the energy of your being that your energy is getting consolidated it is not getting wasted the energy of your being is turned upon itself you feel stronger lighter brighter stable and steady inside you are truly the center of your own inner universe and you come into action through the body and you do as you wish and what you do and what you wish comes from this place of inner serenity stability clarity feel yourself and know that this is indeed what i am and as you go deeper you discern who you are your individual vibration your speciality your importance in the bigger greater wider world everyone has a place which is essential and important you're getting to know yourself then gently reconnect with the body and you're ready to act talk move around from this place of inner quiet thank you so i hope that this was um an interesting experience for you and that you will experiment with it um you know a lot of people think that meditation is something that you have to sit down for and have a special space and quiet and candles and music and so many things and that's very nice but soul consciousness it's really good if you practice soul consciousness on the go because what we're trying to do in this practice of raj yoga is to be what is known as a karma yogi karma yogi so yoga means connected and karma means you're in action so um when you're i mean to to really try this very consciously and in a focused way when you're going for a walk or you're hiking you you're in that rhythmic movement of the walk and you can really practice i am the soul making this body walk uh i am causing all the movement of the body to happen very deliberately very consciously and when you're in relationship with people when you're driving around in your car and sometimes people are behaving badly or antagonistic or something like that you practice pulling back and being a detached observer you're in your piece and you're not under their power you're the one who calls the shots this is a really good practice to do while on the move and so of course soul consciousness uh definitely impacts your relationships because it is normal people play games with each other they manipulate each other they try to you know be the dominant one we live in a world of victims and predators and soul consciousness is a positioning from the inside where you say you know i'm in my power i'm not desiring power i am powerful already and whatever anybody else is doing that's what they're doing but soul consciousness means i am always aware of what i am doing i am the proactive one you always getting into situations where someone wants to dominate you or push you or make you feel low or high or whatever and the soul conscious person says i i know who i am and you know it and you feel it and you hold the space and the atmosphere fills the area where you are and uh then the others um can be actually pulled a little bit into their own soul consciousness and then it becomes an interaction between conscious people people who are aware of the essence of one another and this is really the the [Music] building blocks of the world we want to live in we are operating from the inside and to the outside and very selective what do i feel what do i think um i am the master of that uh if um something external wants to make you afraid okay there is a situation that is fearful but you decide is it really dangerous or is it just a game where something or someone wants me to be afraid but i decide whether or not i'll be afraid fear is um actually something that lets us know okay if it's dangerous then you know i need to take care but it doesn't mean i need to be looked in a paralyzed frozen state or run away or shout out or whatever no you stay in your position and [Music] evaluate the situation in a real way and then you know what to do and with what intensity and for how long there's one very important attribute of soul consciousness that i think is is very essential and that is that it enables us to be aware if we have any prejudices and actually the world we live in is a world where most people operate on the basis of some kind of prejudice you have in most parts of the world the gender bias the males feel one way about themselves another way about the females and the dominant are the males the more subservient are the females um because you're not seeing the person you're seeing the body but when you're soul conscious the question of male and female becomes really very secondary i'm a being i have a body it happens to be male or female but the soul in soul consciousness is not limited by the body and consequently is not limited by a prejudice and what is the problem of um prejudice is that it causes you to do incorrect karma or it causes you to do an action based on an evaluation that is inaccurate and therefore you will do something that will cause you harm forget about it'll cause the other person harm it'll cause you harm and soul consciousness really is helpful to let you operate in this world in your own best interests which means that you um don't find yourself uh regretting what you did or how you function and and of course your relationships become different um another prejudice a lot of people have is to do with color and race and um when you have prejudice it changes your perception so that you are unable to see what's in front of you but you see um through a filter that prevents you from seeing the person and then how you operate is according to the filter and then the what you expect as a consequence of what you are doing will not be something else will be what happens and then it will be not so good for you forget about whether it's good or not for the other because what soul consciousness makes us aware of is everything that happens to me is of my doing and so it becomes very important to take charge of who you are what you are how you are and then the very good thing i think very good is that you understand that you are accountable and you expect to be held accountable and when you do that you interact with people in the natural world with greater care valuing the natural world valuing people for what they are and and you're not limited by those projections so gabrielle what is your thought these there's lots of things happening there thank you um i'm i'm loving the way that you described soul consciousness so simply actually you're just saying about you know shifting my position um and that's an easy thing to do that's an easy switch just shifting my position to be connected with myself primarily and then operating in the material world and in so many very gorgeous sorts of experiences and coming from that you know sustained freedom peace serenity stability clarity and i think that's um a very succinct and easy way to understand how to actually be soul conscious that it's not deeply mystical or necessarily esoteric it's something within the reach of all of us um and very much part of who we are innately and and the way that you are sort of talking about it being body consciousness is the default position and yet soul consciousness is our essence um but i wondered um if you could um just and i like to the way that you were you know starting to say about this is how you kind of practice it you bring it with you into your day it's not something that you kind of sit down and do just when you're meditating but it's something that you you're very conscious of when you are interacting with others um and i it reminded me of a a meditation commentary you did many years ago decades ago actually where it was just about that you know how you're almost like how your daily timetable looks in terms of what your inner focus is irrespective of your outer focus and and our obligations and can you just expand a little bit more on that there's a few questions about that around just um how do you really practice this in a daily way um and how does it change over time your ability to be self-conscious like would you say denise that you know that you're pretty much in that zone all the time are you thinking that feeling that seeing that um is it something that takes a long time to to master where are you with all of that yeah there are so many levels of it you see um i mean i've been doing this practice for um all my adult life so it's nearly 50 years that's a long time and when you begin it's all very experimental and you are you know it's like you have a new toy that you're playing with but gradually you um you have to understand that it's like a a doorway that takes you into a dimension of yourself that had been somewhat neglected which is your inner world and then it takes you all the way slowly slowly over many years to have contact with your subconscious as the deepest part of your place uh the deepest part of your being and it is a place where um you know the the hidden parts of yourself are your inner wounds your um you know things that have happened to you that may be trauma um deep karma maybe from another time and all of this is part of you but it's a hidden part and so soul consciousness uh when you start it's a practice for just interacting with the world and with people but as you go further um you know to discover yourself is a lifetime work and you're discovering yourself you're creating yourself you're [Music] discovering layers and layers and layers of your being that might otherwise be confusing or denied or something like this but you know the whole person the complete integrated person where you completely you accept who you are you recognize who you are and you recognize your value your importance um you know i i talked a bit about the soul being depleted you don't consciousness yeah you really realize how much you were depleted in body consciousness you just don't get it when some consciousness you get it and you get what the damage is and you get the resonance it puts you into a resonance which is very healing and everybody needs to be restored and healed and brought back to life in lots of different ways so even though you're um working with this for for your whole life there's no end to the dimensions and layers and subtleties that you come upon as you do this and so it is um it is extraordinary to realize how um how amazing you are you know there's sometimes there's a an experience that happens that wow the best thing there is is that i am me you just don't want to be anybody else take away jealousy envy all of that no that's so superficial um when you're really in touch with yourself it's like there isn't anything better than that i am me and then from there you're really in your power and um and if somebody doesn't like it it's like too bad you don't want to please anybody you know that you are really deeply okay and it's a very very good thing yeah i love the way you talk about it as layers and um i think the way i relate to it too is very much it's um it's a lifelong journey really and you just sort of become more and more subtle with it and for me i know when i'm stepping outside of it because i lose my inner contentment so that's a that's a good one for me to write you know to to really re-engage again with that that beautiful experience of soul consciousness and um a lovely feeling of self acceptance that comes with it that's it's hugely valuable isn't it it feels like it it will move on for lifetimes is um the more that i develop that soul conscious aspect and make that my default another thing switching it around yeah making soul consciousness the default position re-emerging um denise there's a couple of questions that are coming here and and they're a little bit connected it's um um someone's asking here if you could give us an example you talked about fear and um and you talked about you know understanding is this particular situation or moment dangerous and what do i need to do to mitigate the risks or am i being overcome with fear and i found it really empowering when you know your comment around um i can choose to be afraid or not it's a choice and someone's asking here could you please give us a real example of a situation in your life which could be termed fearful but you overcame that fear and i'm pretty sure most of us i'm pretty sure whatever you're going to say is probably going to resonate with all of us the fear is an experience that is pretty much part of being human now yeah well um you know sometimes you feel that okay now i have to uh i i how shall i put it there's a project that is a possibility for you but it's big and it's a bit outside your range but it's calling you and so you say all right i'm going to go with it but everything inside you on the other side says you can't make it you can't do this it's not gonna happen and then you say no if it doesn't happen it's okay but i am going to do whatever it takes to make it happen and just see if it'll happen because uh it's calling me and i have a right to to try this and so it creates a sort of contest between two different parts of yourself there's the part of yourself that that's really real that says go for it you know get this thing and there's another part that says oh well what if it doesn't work out and oh you'll look like a fool and you know all those internal messages start functioning and then you get other people who will say you know people are going to and they won't like it and people are gonna be jealous and this and that and the other and can you handle it and they're gonna be against you and um then you say well let them you know i'm gonna do this and uh you know the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune notwithstanding you know if there are obstacles i'll get past it if there are difficulties i'll move around it i'll maybe do a tactical retreat consolidate my energies and then go for it again and if you don't try you'll never move you see and um life is about moving forward it's really not about just um dying before you actually did anything and then it's too late you know so that's the thing you have to deal with the internal resistance i'm reminded of anaya's ninland a quote from one of your writings that life shrinks or expands according to one's courage and and that's the thing that if you hold back and you don't step into that space then you're definitely contracting and yet by just taking that moment and working with that fear noting it but stepping into that space [Music] yeah it's so so confident building and got something else coming through here um someone's asking a question about you're saying ego is attention seeking and love can be transactional and temporary can you please share your experiences of this and the spiritual permanent love uh love is doing actions that are of benefit and those actions can include thoughts and feelings as well as physical things people mostly think that love is something that you get it's an energy that you get and that if you get lots of love it means you're loving because what happens with people people are very depleted right that means the love energy in an individual is depleted and they get attracted to someone who they think is going to fill that hole and then they call that love but it isn't love because you're on the take and you are deceiving yourself thinking that you are you know giving it but actually you're not you're on the take and you're attracted by something or someone which is deceiving you because you don't get that you're empty and you are trying to use that other person to fill the empty space in your soul which they can never do and this is why so many intimate relationships go wrong because each one is preying on the other because if you are empty of love then you need to go to the source where there is a lot of love which is a higher being higher power but for you to be um a loving person it means that you have to understand the relationships that you're in and give loving and giving is basically the same thing and if you are um doing something to show that you're the dominant person or you're the smart person or this or that and you call that love you don't know what you're talking about but um and and you wreck the relationship by doing that and this is because of um like people's ideas about love with nothing to do with love it's all really more is interesting about ego showing off uh i am the cool one you know and i'm dominating this other person and by me dominating the other person and they become oh subservient to me that means they love me no it doesn't it means you're cruising for a bruising because they're not gonna take it for very long and the whole thing is going to be a lot of suffering the the the ego is um that really it's a mask in my opinion and it's a a presentation of yourself which is false and sometimes ego is called false ego so it means that you are you know thinking that you are cool because you have a beautiful body or you have a nice motorbike or you have a big house or you have a big reputation in your profession or you have lots of money and you you that's your mask and behind it there's nothing it's emptiness and then your actions are all about trying to fill that emptiness which uh involve pr preying on on other people and causing damage and all of this because of being spiritually empty and in denial of that it's quite deep isn't it that um huge difference in how we get mixed up with it but while we're on ego there's another another um aspect coming through here and that's um what's the difference between discovering the layers of my subconscious versus regression therapy and other therapies like that so this is relating to a conversation a little bit further back around you know removing the layers and coming deeply into that state of soul consciousness and how we how you get touching on the subconscious well the subconscious is pretty much inaccessible and people are trying to find what's driving them and so i think regression therapy is one of those not that i'm an expert in that but in terms of the subconscious that i'm aware about um your subconscious is where your negative karma is sitting and is driving you and uh it it's to do with character flaws and trauma and how that distorts your being and you need to get in contact with what that is and um and and kind of straighten the distortions that have happened as a result of traumas and i i think a lot of of character defects are a reaction to traumas which are sometimes you can call it as an ego defense mechanism but in in meditation deep meditation going really deep into the subconscious is really where you have to come to terms with yourself and come to terms with your dark side and come to terms with how you have been corrupted how you have been contaminated and poisoned by something or another and that that it's not permanent you see because you can become free from that and i don't know if regression therapy does that because i'm not so familiar with it but the meditation practice that i do does because it's um also a practice of purification and purging so purification is that whatever has got into the soul in terms of violence in terms of neglect in terms of you know all sorts of things that can happen to people you know they bend you away from your essence and they make you into a monster in some degree and and there are all sorts of people who um who display the these things but they're so out of touch with what's the cause of it that that becomes their mode of operation and so i i don't know that i can really make a more of a comparison because i'm not so familiar with regression therapies but that's what i can say about it thanks denise um i'd like to pitch this question to you um someone's saying do i need to see myself as a soul or feel myself as a soul if i see myself as a soul that means there's someone who is seeing the soul i sometimes get confused between the two statements understand well the thing is your inner eye is um an instrument of perception and you can use the word see but it won't be a visual perception it'll be just like you perceiving yourself as a spiritual being but you're so your your thinking is so physical that you have to use analogies like seeing which is a physical thing and perceiving can be physical or not physical so then you you have to really think about what perception is and if you see a dream you're not going to see it with your two eyes because it's where is your dream is in your mind right so you're seeing with your mind's eye um and some of these things you may be a visual type of person and then you will use the word seeing some may not be visual types they may be more sensing and then you would use the word sensing but it's um just inner perception you know we talk about the third eye and the third eye is some something that enables you to to perceive something which isn't visible right and and you need to if you have a third eye you need to see the physical world and you also need to see the subtle dimension that goes along with it so if you are a three-eyed person uh you can perceive a lot more than if you're just seeing the superficial the surface of things that makes sense and this is perhaps a question that's just a little bit more outward focused is saying it's hard to be soul conscious when there's so much injustice in the world so how do you manage the social injustice well there you have to understand destiny you have to understand karma you have to understand that there are energies that are functioning that are invisible and you're coming from a place of desiring justice and you're seeing something that doesn't correspond to your idea of justice so you're evaluating it on the basis of what's in front of you because you do not have any knowledge of what led to that because um understanding about these things also involves [Music] taking up the idea of reincarnation because all the things that are going on in the world today which are pretty awful i have something to do with karma something to do with the fact that the world is at the moment fragmenting at an accelerating rate and everything that can possibly go wrong is going wrong and this is a good reason why we need to be we need to practice spirituality because you need strength to be able to see these things and um survive having to see other people's pain and abuse and also what's important for a person who develops spiritual power is that you can transmit spiritual energy to alleviate the situation and this is at a higher level of meditation because we're talking um in a fairly straightforward simple way but you can go deeper and deeper and higher and higher and it becomes very um in a way off the radar because it's such internal work that it doesn't really get talked about but it is there [Music] this leads on from that question in a way um i don't see much soul consciousness in our world leaders at the moment most of whom are men a woman more capable of being so conscious than men and if our world was filled with soul conscious beings what would our leadership be like that's a very interesting question it seems that women are uh oriented more towards the inside and the society that we live in you know mostly keeps women on the inside you're in the house you're looking after the inner part you're um it's easier for women to um to develop the inner side because the pressures on men to be external to go out and get the money and defend the land and hunting and shooting and all of those things it's like very much part of the culture and so taking a leadership role being the alpha male and doing all those things that's the world of the present time and it's a very body conscious world so the male ego and what you also have is what i call patriarchal women who um uh like to play in the man's world and the men will let them in on condition that they um put a lot of restrictions and difficulties on other women and the patriarchal men will use the patriarchal women that way to maintain the status quo so that's uh that's a performance that goes on but uh turning to the idea of if if everybody would be soul conscious what would our leadership be like um i think we're quite a long way from everybody being soul conscious but um uh you are anyway in a leadership position somewhere or the other in your life even if it's just between you and yourself you know me myself and i who's the boss here and you have to take a position of leadership which means um that you set the rules you set the principles and there is accountability in the family in friendships in all sorts of dimensions it's all about relationship and if we're talking about political leadership someone who leads the country has to be someone who is there to serve the country and to serve the country means to do what is beneficial for the country what happens nowadays is you know people try to serve themselves and they want power and influence and money and property and protection because they're weak and uh you know for for a person who's got lots of weapons and police force and military and whatever to prey upon weaker people is a sign of weakness so i think the leadership of a soul conscious world would be people who are strong and their personal strengths gives them the capacity to ensure that everyone has what they need and they feel good and you sustain them with your vibrations and you take care you know the leader has to be not somebody who makes everybody follow but who sustains everyone and who makes people feel um safe and inspired and they uh it's all part of a of a harmony so so the leader has to be essentially harmonious and deploy that harmony throughout the the world that they are in a position of power you have to understand power and you have to know how to use power mostly people are weak and they craving power and they don't know how to use it because it corrupts them as soon as they get it but a sole conscious person is a good leader if they know how to handle power they don't get corrupted by it and they use it for the benefit of everyone concerned and i think that one by one by one we practice sole consciousness we learn these things we are studying to become leaders of that type bit at a time it's a good question isn't it really because we we know what's so wrong in our world at the moment and it does seem to be moving from chaos to greater chaos so it's it's really apt isn't it to be starting to imagine what um what soul conscious leadership would look like and what a world what a world would be like in terms of relationship with self and others and and animals the nature environment when the humans the beings are in that state of soul consciousness because i kind of feel if we can't imagine it then we won't be able to step into it and uh you you have to see it to make it a reality and that seeing is with your inner eye that is absolutely essential yes yeah yeah yes um look got another question here for you today so is this two actually but um how do i make the space between myself the soul and what i perceive um something that's bigger so that i can stay uninfluenced so someone's asking this question about remaining uninfluenced well it's an ongoing process because there's a lot of resistance and as you continue with the practice the resistance becomes more and so you have to keep up with it and and be consistent and continuous with your practice and your study and then you're making something that is a nice idea into something that is sound and solid and and real and you have to be very patient with the self um it's not like you know you just uh create uh two meters between yourself and your body that's still very physical um it's really all about coming into your power being who you are and um gradually you find that yeah it is natural but it takes a while because it took a long long time to lose it and so definitely it takes a while to get it back you know eternity is a long time and when we say i am a soul that means i'm an eternal soul that means what have i been doing throughout time well i don't know because you don't remember but you have to think about that yeah in a it took a long time to lose your power and you have a short time in which to restore it but nevertheless you need time and so we have to be patient with ourselves and when you fail you just pick yourself up dust yourself off and keep going because the important thing is to not give up so how do i assess if i'm making progress about being so conscious um i think don't worry too much about assessments because it's very frustrating because you always want increments that are visible and it might be your progress might be happening in microns that you can't see but i think that um it's really about putting one foot in front of the other on this long journey to come back to myself to find yourself to restore yourself to your original fullness and just keep going and every so often sit down with yourself and do a full and rigorous self-inventory and give yourself a bit of space in between those times so that you can actually see the the progress because it's to to make yourself into something that's real is a slow process it's like you you're watching a tree grow no you don't sit there every day and look at it because you won't see the growth but you come back to it after a few months or a few years and you'll see yeah there's growth so you have to think of yourself as a great oak tree or something that's growing and growing thousand years yeah a work in progress um denise just before we close up for i made another meditation commentary um it's a question here around how did you learn to meditate can you explain how you learnt to meditate and also the process of meditation and does it involve the divine well it definitely involves the divine i remember when i started raj yoga uh um i they asked me you know why why do you want to why are you here i said i want to learn to meditate and then they said well do you believe in god i said that's private has nothing to do with it you know but um then slowly i found that the soul has to um restore itself to the full potential by making contact with the divine and that is really what yoga is so we will go through a course which gives you a few um a few pointers but you know the journey of spiritual development is something that's between you and the divine and so you have to make a commitment to yourself and explore and study you know there there is a big study that goes with this and uh that is really the foundation of the meditation so studying those things is key and then experiment and play and uh you know it's not like learning to drive the car you start with learning to move the gears and everything but to become a really expert driver you have to experiment and practice and find out and and this is like that too it's an art it's a skill it's a lifelong personal development yeah that's um that's a lovely note i think denise to push pause for a moment and then go into another meditation um outlining that process of of how you meditate soul consciousness and that connection with the divine perhaps over to you thank you so looking at it systematically first of all sit yourself where you're balanced and just notice the different parts of your body and make sure that you're not in any tension relax your shoulders your feet your hands your eyes and meditation is a decision i'm going to turn within gently slowly pull yourself in the sounds and sights of the external world are there your attention is within think of yourself as a being of light deep inside a tiny point of light become that light and feel your body external to yourself like you are a light inside a cave go into that light deeply and feel the soft peace that is your essence you are out of time beyond space in another world of light you're pure and beautiful feeling and being the spirit within in that world of light you are away from your body free you're surrounded by light and you become aware of another light the source the force the energy of the supreme is there as if a beam of light reaches you and you let that light in through that beam of light energies of love and peace start pouring into you intense light fills you and pulsation of energy pours into you waves of love move through the light and merge into your heart the beams of light and waves of love and peace fill you with energy this is a being who sees you loves you touches you deep inside and you open yourself to that presence allowing that energy to heal you to restore you to bring you home from a long long journey you become still and quiet and gently bring yourself back to reconnect with your body and to feel that you have an endless eternal someone who is with you a special someone um thank you thank you denise excuse me thank you denise i was certainly riding that wave of soul consciousness and connection with the divine it was a beautiful commentary thanks so much denise just imagining what a world would be like filled with subconscious beings uh viewers one by one one by one uh viewers thanks so much for the questions that you've asked um we've managed to pitch most of them and always grateful for your participation denise um look our thanks to you so much to thank you for your truth the clarity of your divine intellect you know i was referring to you in the intro as a visionary and a courageous pioneer so thank you for all of this it's been a pleasure and an inspiration listening to you and on behalf of all the viewers our thanks and our love and our blessings to you thank you thank you much appreciated and it's been lovely to be with you it's lovely to have you back here in this part of the world too even though it's online but let's see if we can do something about it happening in physical space now that uh covert restrictions are opening up for us let's see thanks denise so much and viewers i'm wanting to let you know about some of the things that are happening um 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products just tap in the word wisdom at checkout and you'll automatically receive a 50 discount now excuse me if you'd like to subscribe to open your eyes to the universe to receive monthly updates then please email us at special.events at au.ramakumaris.org and finally i'd like to tell you about our next episode of open your eyes to the universe it's on saturday the 23rd of april at 6 pm that's aest so daylight saving will have gone it's standard time now and it'll be with carolyn ward in conversation on a topic called a time for healing we're going to close out tonight's episode of universe with a song from earthstar it's called om and it's off the album called a being of love and again jen i'll put that in the chat box for you if you'd like to to refer to it so until we see you again in april take moments throughout your day to tune within and experience soul consciousness that's your natural peace your natural calm your happiness and love and as denise said it helps you stay aligned away from influences away from being manipulated and enabling you to experience the deep benefits of really tuning within and primarily relating to yourself and that in a way and of course share the soul conscious reality with others too so until then om shanti and good night ah [Music] wow [Music] [Music] [Music] my [Music] ah [Music] ah [Music] [Music] um [Music] oh [Music] oh [Laughter] [Music] oh [Music] [Music] oh [Music] shine [Music] oh [Music] remember who you are who you are [Music] john [Music] [Music] [Laughter] child [Music] oh [Music] sweet comedy peace [Music] sweet harmony [Music] sweet [Music] sweet harmony we are loving beasts eternally you52:T3693,it was the 1800s and the world was filled with change the mutiny by the bengal army was suppressed and britain took over direct government of india from the east india company mahatma gandhi still lived in south africa and rabindranath tagore had not yet written jatanjali in america the first telephone message was transmitted and in britain the first electric light was turned on charles darwin published origin of the species and the theory of evolution was born the civil war ended in america and slavery was outlawed wilhelm of prussia was proclaimed emperor of germany in sindh india a son was born to the kripolani family he was named lekharaj and he was an ordinary boy as the years passed he grew straight and strong this son of a schoolmaster in time he began a business and married and had children of his own but still he was an ordinary man he was a good man a kind man an honorable man but an ordinary man and the light touched him and entered his mind now his mind was already fine and worked well but when the light came he saw that there were shadows in the corners things left there to think about another tomorrow things unresolved matters saved for a day when he had time but he found he couldn't wait until there was time for this was not a light he could close his eyes against this light was inside him and had taken up residence eviction was not possible not that he really wanted to be without the light but now and then it would probably have been more comfortable it did after all uncover him to himself and the light lay in front of his mind like a pathway or a doorway or a destination sometimes it was barely there only visible if he concentrated and he taught himself to keep it where he could see it sometimes it filled him until it shone out through his eyes and others began to sit near him to see what would happen they knew that something would and for a while he thought the light was him was somehow his own essence but in time he learned that the light was not his though he had one of his own this light was other and it came from some distant place where the rules of physics hung balanced and time meant something else entirely and he expected it to be indifferent but it wasn't he expected it to be hard with knowledge but it wasn't he expected it to be implausible and unreachable and somehow threatening but it wasn't and it wasn't and it wasn't but it did change him it laid new understanding gently in his mind and he saw things he never thought he'd see he learned about eternity and immortality and consciousness things that had seemed important no longer mattered and he gave away his old life and the things that went with it those who waited with him to see what would happen knew this was a chance that fate had given them he spoke of what the light showed him and they listened and some of them changed their days so they could listen for some there were obstacles and barriers and difficulties but they overcame them all and untangling themselves from the expectations of custom they came after all fate was calling this was an age when women in that land were made less and decisions about living were never theirs and so from among the ones who came with him he gave administration into the hands of the women this was a balance rarely seen in those days and in that place and so they stayed together and they were held well and safely for more than a score of years and they learned how to live they practiced putting matters of the light first and matters of the world second and in time there was no longer difference to be seen between the two but winds of change were blowing and in the way of the world in that time there was the dissension of boundaries and countries and ownership anger and chaos had come to the land and still they stayed protected somehow but when change finally filled the land and closed the door to possibility they quietly left that place [Music] [Music] three had become 300 and they settled on a mountaintop and the mountain held them safely for years still being counted [Music] every day they listened and in between as well and what they learned filled the air they moved through until it became time itself for them and time upon time he told them that what he spoke about came from the light and not from him and again he would tell them in a thousand times a thousand until they reached out their own minds and made their hearts available light sculpted his thoughts and cleaned away the last shadows and what he learned he taught and the most important of all of the jewels that fell first into his mind and then into their hands was connection with the light and that was the heart of the matter now time passed as it does and ones who had been very young were now less so but in all that time they never thought to leave the mountain but they did and it was he himself who sent them there were only one or two at first and they were completely untried in the world outside of their world they had lived most of their years with signposts and secrets uncovered by the light this was their guide and their template for living they understood now without any doubt that the light was a separate thing from him it was the song and he was the singer they knew that he stood open-handed and in between to sing them the song and make the connection visible and available and theirs still as the years passed he had become more like the light his own light becoming at once brighter and softer and they loved him they didn't want to go but it was the beginning of something unimaginable to them in that time and in that place they understood that if they didn't give what they had been given it would be as though they had nothing they knew now that young and unworldly as they were they were the ones to begin the ones who must walk into the lives of others as he had walked into theirs the emissaries of the light they went to places of important papers and the men who understood them they went empty-handed and they waited on seats that were bigger than they were themselves the ones they came to see had many appointments but no one sent them away everyone thought that by the end of the day they would simply not be there people thought they would be frightened because they were young people thought they would be intimidated because they were innocent people thought they could be ignored because they were insignificant but by the end of the day the young ones seemed older somehow than the people had thought they didn't seem intimidated though the chairs they sat in were much too big and they had waited undaunted and patient until they no longer seemed insignificant and they had such things to say [Music] when they spoke their eyes were a place where people saw themselves whole and wonderful for some who half remembered their own reflection awareness flew back into their own eyes for some it was the first time they had ever seen themselves clear some who listened and listened again offered a dwelling or a room or a hall stay they said or come if it is known that you are here there will be others who come and listen and so they went to towns and villages and cities across that land and spoke of what they knew in a dwelling or a room or a hall in ones and twos they stayed in those places and like he had done they would tell the people who came that what they spoke about came from the light for still the most important of all the jewels was connection with the light that was still the heart of the matter as often as they could they went back to the mountain for some had stayed there and others had joined them and he was there [Music] [Music] sometimes with distance in his eyes he would tell them of times to come of people whose names had not even been written yet in far places they had never seen where strange language was spoken and they would smile with him because they knew he always spoke truth but in their secret hearts they were sure it would be others who traveled to those places to speak to those people surely it would not be them for such things were still a dream of the future now more time passed as it does and they had become many in that land and he was always on the mountain in those years more and more he stayed inside himself and the light stayed with him he spoke less now but love and eternity stood wordless in his eyes his skin paper thin and his step slower with age there came a day when he didn't come out of the room he slept in he had left his body behind [Music] they came from all over the land they came to the mountain they carried their hearts carefully for fear they would break they had never thought of a time without him but losing him never meant they lost the light for the light was separate and would never finish any more than time itself would stop and still they had a pledge to keep so wherever they went they told what they knew and people came to hear the secrets of time and the reasons for things and it happened as it usually does that the future folded itself into the present and what he had said in those long past days on the mountain became real one of them who had been with him on the mountain when he spoke of the future turned around in time and found that she had indeed come to a far place where strange language was spoken and when she spoke to the people there she had someone with her who changed her language into theirs so they could understand each other so it began in this new place many came attracted as a magnet is to a load star by hearing about the light and in this land they called the light by a different word and sometimes two or three but it was all only one for the light is one it is always and ever only one and one it will be called here until the end of this for then it belongs to all and names of different language can lie quiet for a while now in time and in the way of things people told people who told people of what they were hearing and how the look in the eyes of the ones who spoke lifted their hearts soon there were places opened so that people could come back and back again and when there were too many people more places were found and so things grew and multiplied time carried them across mountains and oceans to places they had never seen and the winds of destiny took them to another new land and then another and another there were many more than 300 now and some of them had never even seen the mountain they had been born in other lands speaking other language they listened to stories of the mountain and the one who had left his body behind who would love them so much even before they were born and their hearts flew they would sit with distance in their eyes and one in their minds this most important thing was done in silence their doors were always open to anyone who cared to listen and people of all kinds came sometimes they would take a large public place and hundreds would come or even thousands and so time has turned again and it is now the world is a strange and wonderful place in this age it is filled with fantastic invention and amazing discovery it is dimmed by fear and want and anger and brightened by courage and hope and love it is full there is darkness but it is always shot through with light and this was light they brought it with them they gave it away people took it into their homes and families and some of them caught light from one another some even stumbled into it like an afterthought or an accident or a blessing some were touched and changed their lives some were touched and changed life for other people and in the way of the world they organized it and ordered it and smoothed the edges to make it available and familiar they focused it on what the world needed and named it things that stirred the heart programs were created that covered large parts of the globe and they were as varied as the people who created them some collected peace and reignited values others celebrated youth and still others honored age they were programs that offered freedom of mind to those who had no freedom and others that joined land to land in cooperation a manifesto was drawn from the hearts of people a plan for peace and happiness and equality and they came together from far places they were politicians and artists and business people they were physicians and spiritual leaders and educators they were women and they were men and they were every color a human being can be they came out of love for the world and its people they came because they heard time calling they came did he know how many people would be touched when he saw the future that day on the mountain so long ago and how many people are still to come if we hold the laws of physics up to the light is it like critical mass for if it is and the law holds true the day may come when just one more person is needed just one more soul to tip the balance one more to make the last weight on the scales that measure light against dark in that instant the world could change and it doesn't have to be someone wealthy and influential it doesn't have to be someone famous or revered it doesn't have to be a world leader or the head of a religion it just has to be someone and time never stops turning and the light never ceases [Music] and light attracts light it comes from many places from many people like a rainbow it is made of all the colors that exist in the human heart the colors of generosity and care for the world the colors of open hands and open hearts the colors of faith of all kinds and as time stretches from the past into now there are sometimes the questions of how and what and why and so a story was written about a journey that began so long ago in a far distant land a journey you have now become part of and you hold it now in your hands and many still cross the sea and come to that same mountain some things have changed some things are always and ever the same it is love for one it was always that [Music] you53:Tf7c8,Oh, okay, all right. Welcome to Jubagalli at the Sydney Opera House, now known as Benalong Point. We acknowledge and welcome you to the lands of the Gadigal. Enjoy the show. . . . I love you. Amen. Amen. Amen. I'll call you. ¶¶ Oh, no. Thank you. ¶¶ . . . Thank you. ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ Thank you. Good afternoon. So wonderful to see everyone here on a sunny, beautiful day. The harbour has put it on for all of us. Oh, you can't hear me. No. Okay. Hopefully that will be resolved. That's something that is out of my power currently. So I'll keep talking to the people in the front row until we resolve it. Oh, is that it? No. Maybe we'll just have a moment. Oh. I feel like that's a low bar for your applause, but I will take it. I was almost going to call for a moment's silence, but we just had it, as it would turn out. Now, good afternoon. Welcome to the Wayfinders, ordinary people changing the world. The harbour is so spectacular and glittering today. It's such a beautiful, sunny day. And so many of us have yet come in here to try to listen, to try to learn, to think about a world that can be better and how we can be better. I want to, first of all, before we go on, just thank those wonderful performers we just saw. David Kalowski and Samurai Kunio. That was a duet for Two Conch Shells, which is a sacred shell in many cultures, of course. Antoinette Sampson and Kim Kunio. this is a new work called Angels in the House for gongs and angels played by members from the Brahma Kumari. We had Angels in Our Town and Lynn Lindsay from the Highlands School of Performing Arts and their beautiful dance students. And also, finally, we had our iconic and much-loved jazz musician, James Morrison. So thanks to all of them for kissing it all. Thank you. So, I'm Julia Baird. I'm an author and a journalist and your host for this event today. And I know that I'm not the only one who's feeling like the world has really particularly gone mad lately. It's gone quite topsy-turvy. There is a lot going on. There's a lot of concern about the melting of our planet, about the growing gap between rich and poor, about the rise in loneliness, in antagonism, and the way we speak to each other, the way we speak about each other, about the wars that seem to never cease. And in the midst of it all, it can become really very overwhelming, and it's hard to know how to respond. Do we dive in? Do we tune out? Do we lie under a tree? Or do we alternate between all three of those things? But do we also remember that it is at times like these that wayfinders emerge? ordinary people doing extraordinary things, shining a light on a way forward and changing the world for the better. I'm really pleased to say that many of those wayfinders are here today. Now one thing I've personally learned through my own times of when I've had particularly difficult or dark times, something that has really sustained me has been awe, the pursuit of awe, whether it's in the natural world or in music or things that make you feel small, psychologically in a great and comforting way, small. And in those times is when we feel more connected to other people and more conscious of the world that we have to preserve. Like when astronauts go up to space and they call it the overview effect and they're up there and the world disappears behind their thumb. It's like a pea and they realise how much we all need each other, how much we rely on each other. Mathematicians, engineers, comeback poets, theologians, philosophers. And one study of awe that really struck me was how do people most find and experience awe? And a man called Dacher Keltner did a study of 36 countries, 2,600 people, and found the number one way most people experience it. I would have said the natural world, I would have thought that was the obvious answer, but in fact, it is seeing it in each other. It is seeing acts of great kindness, great decency, great courage in overcoming obstacles and in pressing on. So this afternoon, our panellists are going to share their own personal stories of wayfinding. And we want to, by listening to them, explore some pathways to a future of resilience, to a future that contains some hope. Now, but before I introduce them to you, I want to tell you about the Brahma Kumaris, the organisers of this event. It's the largest spiritual organisation in the world that's open to both men and women, that is led by women, which is an incredibly significant thing. It is a worldwide community of diverse individuals from all backgrounds, all walks of life, or religions, cultures, castes and creeds. And they're dedicated to a life of spiritual study, upliftment and personal transformation. And in Australia, they celebrated their golden jubilee this year. The heart of the Brahma Kumaris is, when I change, the world changes. Let's find out a little more in this video. Taking just a minute, turning inward, I visualized myself as a lighthouse. strong firm stable spreading light in all directions illuminating the way for others I spread light of love peace and joy. Empowering others on their journey. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Come find your light. I love that. And by the way, when I was dipping into the history of the Brahma Kumaris, it was not always an easy path to becoming a female-led movement such as this. In fact, there was very strong resistance and pushback at various times. Today, of course, they bring us the Wayfinders discussion we have today about ordinary people changing the world. And this is a global event. There are a couple of thousand of us here in this hall, but online there are thousands more huddled around the screens and watching in various guises, Asia, India, the United Kingdom, Iceland, South America, North America, Canada, the Middle East and Europe. So a very big welcome to all of those who are watching here from around the world and joining us in Sydney, Australia. We're going to have some lovely surprises along the way as well with some very talented musicians doing some performances. Now, I want to start, first of all, by welcoming our first speaker, international guest, Sister Janti. She's a spiritual teacher and the additional administrative head of the Brahma Kumaris. She's been the organisation's representative at the UN in Geneva since 1982. And she's a true wayfinder with a lifelong commitment to bringing universal spiritual values to the table where decisions are made. Tables where there are politicians, economists, business leaders, scientists and nearly other stakeholders, nearly every other stakeholder of our times. I can think of a fair few tables where I would quite enjoy her presence at currently. and she's been doing this for many decades now. So let's welcome her. Thank you. How delightful to be ushered out by an angel. Wonderful to have you here today. Thank you. and I know you'd like to start by having a moment of silence together. Thank you. Thank you. Now, Sister Jante, before we start, we have a message from Her Excellency Mrs Mumu, the Honourable President of India. And this message is in mark of the Brahmi Kumaris' 50 years in Australia. She's quite an astonishing woman. She's been serving as a politician since 2022. And when she was elected president, which was resoundingly, she was the first person belonging to a tribal community to hold that position. The second woman and the youngest person ever at the age of 64. I'm really keen to hear from her now. This is the message received from Her Excellency, Srimati Draupati Murbu, the Honourable President of India. from the President's Secretariat, Rashtrapati Bhavan, India. The President of India, Srimati Draupadi Murmu, is pleased to learn that Brahma Kumaris Australia is celebrating an event titled Wayfinders, Ordinary People Changing the World. at the Sydney Opera House on April 13, 2025 to mark the 50th anniversary of its service in Australia. The President extends her warm greetings and felicitations to all those associated with this event of Brahma Kumaris and sends her best wishes for the success of the event Now, Sister Gentry, I was fascinated to read in her story that as a young girl, growing up in a tribal village, Drapidimumu demanded that she have an education. Tell us what makes her such a remarkable wayfinder. Can you hear me? Yes, okay. Age 10, her parents and grandparents wanted her to stop education and help them work in the fields And she said, but I want to study, I want to learn And they said, well we can't arrange that for you By chance, a minister of the government was visiting the neighborhood And she went up to him, and he was quite surprised to see this little girl approaching him He was fascinated and he said, what can I do for you? And she said, I want to study. And he said, okay, I'll arrange it. And that was the start of a remarkable journey. But the other remarkable thing is that she started her life just simply wanting to serve. And she came into politics with that intention of service. And so the first thing she did was to get a bridge built across the river where earlier the children had to go to school to study across the river, going by boat or swimming even. And so she understood the value of service in that way. When she was a minister, her son died in a tragic accident, and she was devastated. She came across meditation at that time and started to meditate, and that carried her through various other challenges until in 2022 she became the president of India. It's an incredible story. I know she's really represented like participative democracy and having everyone fully and properly represented. I want to bring in all of our other wavefinders now, our panellists. And first up we have John Owen. You may know him, the Reverend John Owen. He's the pastor and the CEO of Wayside Chapel, which is a frontline service in King's Cross and Bondi in Sydney. And he's devoted much of his life as a community leader to tending to the vulnerable and to shining a light and fostering a not-them-but-us kind of philosophy. So welcome, John. Thank you. Thank you. We also have Linda Burney, proud member of the mighty Wiradjuri Aboriginal Nation, member for Barton. Former Minister for Indigenous Australians, the first known woman to identify as Aboriginal to be elected to the Australian House of Representatives, the first Aboriginal person to serve in the New South Wales Parliament. It's an incredible legacy. And Linda, before we begin, I'm conscious too that we are on the lands of the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation and it's important to reflect on our ancient history, the ancient culture that has been here for tens and many thousands of years and has contained much, much wisdom. Thanks Julia and on behalf of everyone I want to acknowledge country I know it's something that you're all familiar with we are on the land of the Gadigal and the Gadigal hold a very special place in the narrative of Australia as being the first nation that experienced British colonisation that and for many other reasons we recognise the article. Thank you. Now, as I was mentioning earlier, when times are difficult, one of the things we're most likely to feel is lonely. We've got people around the world talking about an epidemic of loneliness. We're becoming more atomised, more separated from each other. The more connected we are by wires and the internet the more we seem to distrust each other and have difficulties talking to each other. But so many of the problems that we're facing are collective. And so often in these times we see the best of people coming together. John, can I ask you first of all about this idea of you are not alone. Can you tell us how in your journey as a wayfinder you've experienced that, you've been struck by that idea of you are not alone. Thanks, Julia, and thank you for this opportunity to share a panel with such wonderful people. I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'll give it a go. Hi, Mum, wherever you are. Look, I think we don't begin our lives knowing that there's any separation between us and our mothers. And you only need to watch a toddler follow you into the bathroom. We don't know where they begin and we finish. And then unfortunately, somehow through this growing up process and we're put into schools and we're separated on our aptitudes and our abilities and the ways we stand out above others, we soon find ourselves as constituted as separate beings. You know, there's something about Western society that we exist in that renders us as isolated individuals. And so most of us, when we face crises, end up feeling so thoroughly disconnected, isolated, and alone. One of the common threads that runs through everyone who comes through the doors of the wayside chapel in King's Cross and Bondi is that you know whatever they are experiencing they're utterly convinced that in the warp and woof of humanity they uh they're they're going through it it's utterly unique and um you know and they don't know where to turn but that's been so much of the work that you've done is to convince people that they're not alone and that we need each other we don beat them over the head to tell them they they alone uh is you know we we say no one a problem to be solved they a person to be met So often the ways we come up with in Western society to interact with people is predicated upon some of the isolated individualism that we find ourselves in. Some people walk through and finally are open to seeking help and they're met with someone with a clipboard and a pill and a program and a pamphlet and they're given one of those on the way out. I think, what was the point of even that at all? So if we just focus on looking people in the eyes, learning their names, we don't need to suck on our pens and say, I can see you're having a hard day when someone walks in, if they're sleeping rough, is just to make them feel seen. What about you, Linda? When we talk about how important it is to know we're not alone, and you come from a strong community with a strong set of values, and you must have at times in the political environment in which you operate feel lonely and at odds with that. Like, how do you reconcile those things? There are times of loneliness. But can I say I am very honoured to be on the panel with the three of you. And a bit like John, I'm not quite sure how I got to be here, but I am very pleased and thank you all for, I think, Julia mentioned coming out on a beautiful autumn day. In political life, and many of you would know I've just retired after 22 years, it is both a lonely place, but it is also a place of great collectivity. and I think the experience I wanted to share with you wasn't so much about my life in the political realm but I have known death very much in my life the people that raised me, two brothers, a husband and a son and I just wanted to share with you one thing and I hope this helps you because you are not alone but I remember just after my husband died and I was standing at my kitchen window and I looked out the window to the garden and I thought to myself I have had so many people around me holding me up but there has to be a learning out of this and I think what happened to make sense of what is universal for all of us, and that's the experience of death, to learn that the thing that I became as a result of my husband's death and the gift he gave me was a deeper sense of compassion. And I think that if we all think about losing someone in that way, they give you so much to gain as well. Sister Jhonti, have you had times of feeling alone and how have you navigated that? Thank you. Firstly, I just want to offer my respects to the traditional keepers of the sacred land where the opera house stands and we're all sitting now and to honor their elders and the present the past but also the emerging leaders of the future I remember feeling very very alone when I was trying to discover my identity and so this was I just started university I'd lived in London most of my life and was at university there so I thought good things can happen now but at a certain point I became aware that there were many different avenues open for me and I didn't know myself and I didn't know which direction to go in and I think whatever identity crisis I faced at that time is probably something that many of the young people and not so young people might be experiencing today also. Because there was the traditional British part, there was the permissive society that had just started, that was 1968, 1968 that I was going through this. And then there was a traditional Hindu part, and then there was the part that my mother was on, a spiritual part. And I had no idea which way I wanted to go. And I felt very, very alone at that time. England was a lot more homogenous than it is today. So we didn't have so many people of color there. My father was very wise and suggested I spend time getting to know my roots. I came to India and I knew the Brahma Kumaris through my mother. And I went to see Ladijanki, who at that time was in her 50s. but she lived to the ripe age of 104, and she came to Australia many times. And I didn't have to say too much to her, just she knew me, so it was just curtsy. Then she said, shall I speak, or do you want to say something? I said, Daddy, I've come to listen. Daddy means elder sister. And she spoke about conscience, and she said how there are so many layers that impact us, media, society, education, friends, so many things. And everything becomes a little bit grey. It's difficult to know which direction to go in and what is right and what is wrong. And she touched me absolutely where I was. I was interested. I said, well, how do you get rid of these things? And she said, the conscience has become clouded and the conscience has to be made clear. Well, how do you do it? And she said, learn to meditate. And it opened up a whole new horizon for me. And it was a new beginning. But today I realized that it wasn't just me. It was many, many who go through that similar situation of just not knowing. I was about to ask, what would you say to every young person going through that? But I feel like you've just answered it to the same advice. What about you, John? I mean, it's not necessarily a linear path to work out that you're going to be what we're calling a wayfinder today, that you're going to have a significant purpose in meeting with people and bringing people together and showing them how we can be better in community. So what was that like for you, working that purpose? Look, being a wayfinder is really about having little way markers in life. There are significant moments that happen that it's important. I think our elders and our ancestors would have put a little pile of rocks together as a marker because our lives and our journeys are cyclical. And we need to revisit those places as touchstones and reminders of who we are and whose we are because it's so easy to lose our way and to fall back into the traps that are around us of individualism and isolation. You know, personally, I should know better. You know, I've been gifted with just some of the most beautiful gifts of family, friendship and faith that has really helped guide life and to be able to serve others. But, you know, I can fall back into that deep, dark hole where I feel alone. I feel isolated. and, you know, it really did happen for me a few years ago when, you know, I always had this, I had to work hard. I have to work hard because I've always felt on the outer. You know, my parents, a beautiful man named Zix met a beautiful woman named Selvarani and they had three beautiful daughters, Shimona, Shobana and Sharmila. And then I'm like the world's greatest afterthought, right? John, right? That's not bad, mate. That's right. just always had this kind of what where's my place in this you know where's my role I can't get hand-me-down dresses anymore thanks it's uh but King's Cross has been fantastic to me it's a you know I found myself alone again right should have known better I was uh I was isolating in my little backyard shed and actually I wasn't alone I was with my three best mates their names are Ken, Jack and Peter, Kentucky Fried Chicken and Jack Daniels and Peter Stuyvesant and you know our first born was in hospital, her life, she was on life support you know she could, she was going through significant struggles with her mental health and had made some attempts on her own life. And I went into that whole zone of isolating. You know, of all the roles that I have out there, one of the most precious is who I am as a father. And yet that still wasn't enough to pull me out of that despair. And I was sitting there isolating myself. And yes, I could give you a lesson to say, you know, I think the taking in of spirits is, you know, an attempt to connect with the greater spirit. You know, I call smoking bogan breathwork. You know, we often need to return to ourselves. You know, it is an important... You know, breathwork is so important. You know, nearly every person who comes to Wayside smokes. Right. And nearly all have adolescent or childhood trauma, and it's an attempt. It's a synthetic attempt to move back into ourselves and into the vibration of existence. and I can't really come up with anything clever for the KFC. But then I had a friend, a good brother of mine. He is a Wiradjuri man. He is from Cowra and he's one of my best mates and we're brothers and his family and my family and he just came and sat alongside me. He didn't say a word. He just sat day after day until eventually the chicken ran out and then I kind of looked at him in my misery and he just looked at me. He hadn't said anything. He's a man of very few words, Joe. And he said, are you done yet? Are you done feeling sorry for yourself? And he said, the question that's driving you right now is why me? And I was. I was doing that. Like, God, why me? I do all this stuff for everyone else. We've given our lives to care for others. And why has this happened here? He said to me, that's the wrong question, mate. He said, the question is, who is the universe asking you to be now? And that was a real shift. Who am I to be? What kind of partner? What kind of parent? What kind of leader do I want to be? And that was such a significant shift. And it all started through him being present in my pain. Not advising me, not telling me, you know, I should cut quinoa out of my diet or add it in. You know, he was just his sheer presence in my pain was the perfect gift. And seeing exactly where you were at. Linda, do you relate to the moments that Sister Janti and John are talking about in terms of that question of when do I work out what my purpose is? Yes, I very much relate to both Sister and John's stories. I'll never, ever forget. It was like it was yesterday, sitting on the front veranda of my home in a very, very, very small village in southwestern New South Wales. And I was on my own. I was 13 years old and I had a decision to make about my Aboriginality. I could remember this was back in the mid-60s, the easy path of not identifying and pretending, as people used to back then, that you were first from somewhere else. and with my looks I could have done that. Or there was another path, it was a Y junction and this was the path that was rocky and hard and had potholes but everyone, it was the path of truth and that's the path I took. My Aboriginality and that decision that day was absolutely visceral. And I think the other thing that really has struck me in terms of wayfinders, in terms of my life over the last 25 years, 30 years, 40 years, has been two values that I was raised with. I was raised by my great aunt and uncle. They were in their 60s when they took on a small black baby. They were non-Abbogical people, very, very brave. And they raised me with very old-fashioned values. But the two that have served me well, no matter what I've done, particularly in political life, is kindness is free and good manners cost you nothing. Very true. There's a big discussion to be had around digital manners too, isn't it? People think you can hop online and nothing applies anymore. They say things they would never to your face. Siddha Janti, you're going to be leading us in a meditation shortly. Now, when we think about meditation, a lot of people who don't practice it would think, oh, that's a very lonely thing to do. And I'm assuming you would say it very much is the opposite of that. There are people here who might have dabbled in it, who might be serious meditators. There'll be people who are all the way along the kind of journey of trying to understand it. And looking at you will see someone who has such depth of wisdom about it what do you know now that you did not when that when that woman said to you so many years ago you must meditate what i didn't know was that meditation actually is easy and i think that it will be a pleasant surprise for most people to know that meditation doesn't mean stop your thoughts what it does mean is channel your thoughts in the right direction and if I learn to do this then it can be a meditation that I practice wherever I am at any moment and so I might be standing at the bus stop I might be waiting in a queue to buy something wherever I am I can just turn in words come to the awareness of the inner being the light that I am I am that in a light and connect with my own inner peace and allow my thoughts to move away from the things of this world and eating and drinking and meeting and greeting and all of those things but just simply reflect on who I am as the inner being and through that I discovered that meditation allows me to experience my own highest self and so the first question that I have which direction do I go in could answer very very quickly the direction is to go inside not east not west not here or there but go inwards and make contact with the inner being that each one truly is and we can experiment with that and just see how it goes can you lead us in a meditation now please thank you just sitting comfortably and there's an image of this point of light in front of you and if you wish to experiment keep your eyes open and focus on that point of light if If you'd prefer to close your eyes, that's fine. I'll share my thoughts and invite you to follow these ideas. I go inside. I come to the awareness of the being of light that I am in the center of the forehead. and in this awareness my thoughts slow down and I select one thought the thought of peace I hold this awareness and as I reflect on peace I become aware of the peace that I carry within myself. I begin to appreciate how sweet this experience is. And it feels like coming home, home to myself. to that inner being of peace this is who I truly am peace is my natural state Peace is who I was. Peace is who I am right now. Peace belongs to me. It's within me. And I can connect with it. At any moment, I am a being of peace. I hold this awareness so that it stays with me for the next while. Om Shanti, I am peace. Thank you. We now have a small treat for us. We have Heather Lee, who's a wonderful singer, and Kim Cuneo is going to accompany her. I got that right. Our next part of the conversation until I get some guidance on that. We want to talk in all of the things that are happening right now. That moment of stillness was so beautiful. In the midst of the chaos of the week, the weekend, the news cycle, by the way, which is like a tornado on steroids right now, or even just in our brains in this very second, it's beautiful to have that. And I'd like to talk to each of you about the idea of the anchor within. What is it in these times that sustains us, that nourishes us, that gives us strength, and kind of keeps us to a mooring, lashes us to a mooring in a good way, to our purpose and our sense of self. But it also gives us a kind of strength. I guess it's about the power of the divine as well, in terms of whoever you perceive that one to be, and it could involve, for many people, prayer, meditation, or a spiritual practice. Now, before we begin to examine what it is that anchors us, I'd like to play a message from the remarkable Katrin Jakobsdottir. She was the Prime Minister of Iceland from 2017 to 2024. She was an incredibly popular Prime Minister. She very seriously tackled systemic gender inequality, the economic exclusion of women, including implementation of the world's first equal pay certification policy, taking significant steps to end sexual and gender-based violence. and she also chaired the Council of Women World Leaders from 2020 to 2024. And I think in the climate of what we're hearing, especially with world leaders talking to each other and about each other, hers is a remarkably potent and refreshing voice. Dear all, thank you so much for inviting me to be with you online. I want to talk to you about care and love. Those are words that we seldom see in international statements from leaders when they attend summits around the globe. But it is my conviction, after many years as leader here in Iceland, that if anything is absolutely clear, it is that we need more love and more care in the world. Caring is a word that is sometimes connected with women. Women. The majority of the people who kept most of the world's health systems going during the pandemic were women. This is a traditional role of women, often separated from the business of politics, but possibly it's time to merge the two. Some might say if we had more caring in the world, it would be a better world. less conflicts, different approaches, a more holistic view on our challenges. And therefore, it stands to reason that we need more caring in leadership roles. We need more women in leadership roles. And this is something I kept in mind during my time as Prime Minister of Iceland. when I came into office in 2017, I was absolutely sure that I would try to be a caring prime minister. To care when the challenges are grave, when nature is ruthless and when the main goal is to survive is perhaps the deepest degree of caring. Caring should not be a surplus value. It should be the basis for everything. And every leader should be mindful that care and love are key elements in every good society. All around the globe, humanity is experiencing natural disasters, which are ruining homes, taking lives, destroying crops, and changing the natural habitat of humans and animals. When confronted with a climate crisis, which is radically changing our world, a different prioritization is needed. At the same time, we see more conflicts around the world than we have seen since the end of World War II. What humanity needs now is leadership, where caring for humans and nature is primary. and with the clear vision that caring is not only possible but vital when circumstances are harsh. Thank you all and I do hope that you have a fruitful discussion on the values that matter for the world. Isn't that beautiful? And almost unfathomable at the same time. Like imagine a presidential debate. when they're like, no, I'm the most caring. I care really hard. Let me show you. Look at my record. I will continue to care. They're the values that are missing. And also what was missing before was the musical performance that I quickly announced and I wasn't making it up. We are going to hear now Heather Lee, accompanied by Kim Cuneo. Thank you. Thank you. Ave Maria Ave Maria Ave Ave Maria Ave Maria Ave Maria Amen, Maria. Oh, oh, oh, oh More rain Thank you. I want to anchor the conversation back in to the anchor. What are the things that sustain us What are the kings that keep us true to ourselves and our purpose Linda if I can start with you what your anchor It's not revolutionary. It's probably very similar to yours. And one anchor, of course, is a very old, when I say old it's been around me a long time of friends and myself and our notes talk about inner wisdom resources and solutions that apply but one of the things that I think that I am as well as a very a person that thinks deeply about things who thinks a long time about things. Because in my professional life as a politician, I've had to make monumental decisions that affect the lives of thousands and thousands and thousands of people. And you don't arrive at those answers overnight. You think about it, you talk to people, you always try and put yourself as we learned from To Kill a Mockingbird stand in the shoes of others before you make your final decision but the word that doesn't appear there that I would apply to myself in this context is pragmatic apart from those things of spirituality and wisdom and experience there has to be in my view a big dollop of pragmatism and that's what I've tried to apply I think the final thing I'd say is that I'm not sure about other countries sister but I think in Australia we have been taught not to value our own stories. You know, big noting yourself. What's that other one, the crab thing out of the bucket? Yeah, you know what I mean. What's the bucket of crabs? As soon as one tries to crawl out, the others will drag it down. Pull the crabs back down. Yeah, we've got like a million names for having a big ego. You've got tickets on yourself, you've got a fat head, whatever. Can I just finish up by saying, particularly to all of you here, and it's something that has anchored me, is know your story and value your story. I remember being in a group of women in this yarning circle, and there was a woman, I think she was from Cronulla, and she said, oh, my life's been very boring. I've got three kids, I've never worked, you know, been a mum and a housewife all my life. I've got nothing to add to this. What transpired is that she was carried out of Hungary on her mother's back ahead of the nuts. That's a story. So know your story, know where you come from, know who you are and part of the anchor is you. Linda, can I ask you about that pragmatism as well? Like, what does that look like? Can you give us an example of that? Sure. I'll give you a very tedious, boring example. I live in Marrickville. Good old Mara. When I bought into Marrickville, it was the suburb you didn't move to. Now it's the suburb everyone wants to move to. So that's been good. But it's things like, you know, you might be feeling a bit down. So what is it that's going to make you feel better? what in a pragmatic doing physical way can you make yourself feel better I did this the other day I gardened for an audit another pragmatic decision which is probably not very healthy it's during a very difficult period in my life I use work as the solution to keep going and that was a conscious, pragmatic decision. And finally, in many of the decisions I've had to make politically, pragmatism is always part of it, always. Sister Junti, can you tell us about the things that sustain you? You've spoken about meditation. Tell us what keeps you anchored. when I've had doubts in myself, and there has been many periods when that's happened, in the early days in particular, I would think about not just faith in myself, because that was a bit rocky, but I would think about just simply the fact that the divine being is my parent, and I am the child of the divine. and in that awareness I would be able to transcend the doubts I had in myself and that was very very powerful and then when I was having trouble in communicating with others or there were different personalities that I was having to deal with and live with then again just trusting that there is something good within every human being and can I look for the good in them so that then I can relate to them on that level and so trusting God trusting the family the spiritual family the human family and also then finally learning to trust myself and so it was a journey and the period in which there were challenges with other people and their personalities and ideas, I had to learn to develop a lot of humility because ego says they're wrong. And humility says, well, if they say something, there must be some sense to it. They must be coming from some particular standpoint. Can I have the patience to listen to them? Can I have the understanding and compassion to be able to see them as they are and where they come from and why it is they're coming in that direction. So the external things were never such a problem. Things would go up and down, but it was okay. But it was these two factors that were the biggest challenges. And what about when the times you feel doubt, it's not in yourself, it is in the divine. Do you have those moments? Yes, definitely. It's been the help that I've received from up above that's carried me through doubts and challenges. Also the challenges with other people. So it's been understanding that each one has a different role to play. You know, the example I was given that I always stay with is five fingers and every one is different. But each one has a different role to play. And so can I value every human being and see them with that respect? And maybe when I start respecting them, then I can understand them and love them also. But it doesn't start with that. But it starts absolutely with respecting and valuing every human being. But what if they're like a psychopath or something? Especially in that situation. Especially. Tell me why, I mean I feel like this is an audience that's quite aware of psychopaths right now. Why especially them? Because words don't reach them. You're in a different space. But your vibrations will reach them. Your good wishes for them and your genuine respect for them as a human being, that touches them. And they begin to soften and they begin to cooperate. When? How quickly does that happen? Because that's the problem, isn't it? With some people, you have to really be very, very patient and hope that there's a change that you might not necessarily see? Not just hope, but the conviction. The conviction that there is goodness in every human being. And so, yes, it does take patience, but that's okay. Life is a journey. And so going from here to there is going to take a little bit of time maybe, but they need all the more love and good vibrations. John, tell us about it. I'm interested in hearing about your anchors and the idea of whether you're good at nourishing yourself. I remember you told me once, didn't you, that you like a good focaccia once a week or something? That's one of your rituals? A good sandwich? There is a theme emerging here. It's eating a lot of food. Well, that is one way of sustaining yourself sometimes, like rooting yourself in simple joys and nourishment. There are some important anchors to hold within because as we make our way through the journey of life, it's really important that we hold an honest appreciation of ourselves so we can hold an honest appreciation of others. So that's not an overinflated view of yourself, but it's also not an underinflated. At Wayside, we say never take a snapshot of a person's life and call it the whole movie. and that's what happens when we encounter people who are in trauma, distress or pain. This is but a moment in the movie of their life and it's important that we do the work because we all make snap judgments and that's okay. It's just another thought that's moving around in our minds and it's important for us to have the practices develop to be able to catch those thoughts and not allow them to be expressed. There's no perfect being who walks around. is seeing everyone non-judgmentally. And so finding the anchors within, I want to give you all hope because don't let the brown Indian skin fool you. I'm just a bogan, right? That's a thing that's emerging. There is hope out there about, you know, I tried so hard to find that practice. And see, I am a bogan. One of my notes is, don't swear. And I was speaking at your book lodge once than I let out of you. But the sentiment I was trying to express is we aren't human beings trying to be spiritual, but we are spiritual beings trying to work out what it means to be human. And any practice we can find that can help break the flow, the constant monotony, Johan Hari says, 98% of all human thought is repetitive and useless. And often we have that inner voice, which is just we wouldn't say any of the things we say to ourselves, to our worst enemies, right? How do we break the pattern and that flow? And goodness me, I tried. I went to yoga and then I thought, I'm Indian. We invented it. And I couldn't do it, right? And particularly when the instructor was 19-year-old Kiki from Kulangatta and she had a tattoo of the Bhagavad Gita scriptures as well as daddy's little cutie on the other arm. And I just couldn't do it. But what I found works for me is I run or I get on a treadmill and I get my heart rate up to a point where the only thought in my mind is, don't die, right? And that breaks the flow and it helps me get outside of myself. We find ourselves at our best when we find ourselves necessary, significant, but not central. That's an important thing to grapple with. How do we find that right evaluation of ourselves so we have the space within ourselves to be open to others? I love the... Carl Jung was once asked, what's your pilgrim's progress when he was taking his students through that? And he said, this has been my pilgrim's progress, to climb down the 10,000 ladders of who I think I am and to extend the hand of friendship with the clod of earth that I actually am. what a journey that is to climb down the 10 000 ladders and and a hand of friendship not of disdain not of scorn my my and when i get overwhelmed at the amount of work and the amount of pain and trauma that that is in this world i i remember my my brother uh he's a friend of mine is kyle slab he's a bunjalung man and they were raised on reserves which are different to mission so they've kept a lot more language and he's an elder now in his 40s and he was telling me as an elder he's learned five or six new languages from the elders and I was kind of overwhelmed I said that must freak you out and he said no there's one point to everything that I've been invited to be a part of and he said all the learning I do all the work that I do it boils down to this one principle, how can I be useful to my mob? So let's not be afraid of doing the work, because the point of it all is how do we be useful to those that God and the universe places in our paths? Linda, what can anchor a lot of people and what we've been touching on is that purpose and commitment to a series of values. How do you respond when you see a European leader say, what we need is to care? Care is the adjective that should go before any kind of leader. I'm not going to pretend that there are times that I don't get angry. I'm not going to pretend there are times where I am disgusted and I won't pretend that there are times when where I see ignorance and it's getting on to the next topic but one of the things that I think we as a nation, this land we share, but you think about when you went to school, if you went to school in Australia, how much you learned about the history of this country. The history of this country, from a human perspective, goes back over 60,000 years. What do we learn about? We learn about the last 230 years. And on the timeline, it's about this much here. So in many ways, we've all been led to understand not the full story. But the thing that anchors me is this thought, is this is not just my story, because I'm Aboriginal. This is your story as well, because you live in this country. Some of you were born here. Some of you have become citizens or on your way to that. migration and what an incredible story we've got to share. Anchored in the knowledge that you live in a country and share a place with the oldest continuous surviving culture on this planet. It's pretty groovy. Thank you. Linda, I remember going back to my history books to try to work out when did I learn about that. Like, where was it? And I'm flipping through it, it was year eight. Like, where is the first mention of, like, our ancient culture, like, of Aboriginal people, Torres Strait Islanders? And you know where I found it? It was under problems for squatters. Number one, isolation. Number two, climate. Number three, like, local Aboriginal people. and it was both unsurprising and deeply shocking at the same time. How long ago was that? Wrong place. It was the 80s. Yeah. And that's what we're dealing with. That's right. That's what we're dealing with. The sense of a problem, not an ancient wisdom and a culture to be proud of. we were just about to have another meditation led by Sister Janty can you tell us is silence one of your anchors? yes and I took a pause before saying that because in my meditation I use thoughts in a specific direction and then in between the thoughts there are pauses in which there's silence. And the silence can become longer and longer. The pauses become longer and longer. The space between the thoughts. So that's one type of silence. And the other type of silence is just experiencing the love of the divine and finding myself being lost in that love, absorbed in that love. and that's a very beautiful silence and that happens in meditation also when there's a very strong connection a relationship that's built with the divine and so it's different types of silence but yes, silence comes in many different ways and even for example every hour, on the hour we use something that's called traffic control stopping the traffic of thoughts in the mind. You know, it's a very simple way to get into meditation and just let yourself be silent for a few moments. Extend that for another few moments and what you'll find is that there's something very beautiful that emerges within you and whatever track you were on before changes and becomes one that's more positive. more comforting, more helpful. Could you lead us in another meditation now? Please sit comfortably with both feet on the ground. I connect with myself, the inner being, the being of light that I am. And in this awareness, I can tune into the vibrations of the one above, the supreme, the source, the source of light, of love, of truth, of joy. and it's a connection which I realize I'd forgotten about but now in this awareness of the inner being I can connect and in this connection comes an ocean of love a love that surrounds me a love that reaches out and touches the entire human family a love that brings comfort warmth and a feeling of safety. A love that holds the human family together. A love that surrounds the entire planet and all within it I hold this awareness within myself so that I can keep this warmth of love within me Oh Shanti we spoke earlier about awe and the ways in which we can see it in other people sometimes. And one of the greatest sources of awe and experiences of awe is actually in music, in watching the talent and ability and just kind of soaring literacy of another person with notes and with sound. And to that end, a real treat for us today, Simon Tedeschi, one of Australia's greatest musicians pianist composer is going to be playing for us now Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Absolutely superb. We're getting all these tantalising morsels of music today from such talented people. And that was I Got Rhythm, by the way, composed by George Gershwin and rearranged by Simon Tedeschi. Now, when we think about everything that we're dealing with currently on the planet, as we keep referring to throughout this afternoon, one of the things I think a lot of us are struggling with is the sense of impotence. We see a problem, we don't know how to fix it. It seems massive and overwhelming, and what can one individual do? And it's a genuine issue that I just know so many people in my life and beyond that are really trying to work out what their place is and what is it that they can do. We can talk about the role of the government, of institutions, communities, families, workplaces and so on. But does that mean that we're perennially disempowered? When I change, the world changes. That's what we're talking about today. As Mahatma Gandhi's grandson said, be the change that you want to see. I guess the idea is something, what is it we do collectively? I am the shift, we are the shift. And to kind of kickstart this conversation, many of you will know Christiana Figueres. who just got an OBE by the way. I have so much respect for her as an environmental leader and negotiator. She stepped into the role of Executive Secretary of the UNFCCC, of the United Framework on Climate Change, six months after the failed COP15 in Copenhagen. And she then, imagine the amount of work that goes into then navigating the trajectory that results in the Paris Agreement of 2015. and she continues this work and she tries to encourage us to be optimistic and she, to that end, has co-founded Global Optimism. She has this message for us. Hello, friends. I'm sure that we can all very quickly agree that we find ourselves at a time of profound gravity. The fabric of the society we long for is being pulled apart. Our societal and ethical bones are being broken. So friends, if we don't have the leadership we want, we have to call forth the leadership we need. This is the moment to step up and step in to discover and nurture the leader that lies within ourselves, rooted in kindness and compassion for self and for others. As wayfinders, we can build bridges across the very divides that we see, crossing the separating walls we have erected We can intentionally build communities of humility empathy and love Communities that are truly anchored in kindness and compassion Kindness has sadly become a scarce resource. We can do something about that. We can ensure kindness remains a renewable and constantly renewed resource. Some people attribute to the renowned anthropologist Dr. Margaret Mead the story that she was once asked, what was the first sign of civilization? And after a thoughtful pause, she answered that the first sign of civilization was a healed femur bone. now let's understand that in humanity's earliest days a broken thigh bone would not allow you to feed or defend yourself it was a slow but certain death unless some other person acted beyond their own self-interest out of compassion and kindness to provide the necessary care over an extended period of time for that bone to heal. In our journey toward the healing of our fractured world, we would do well to recognize that fundamental truth about humanity. Civilization emerged not from dominance over others, but from vulnerability and care for others. The brokenness we see today is not our final state. We can transform it. Like a plant breaking through harsh soil to reach sunlight, we must break through the walls that keep us divided. We have within us the capacity to transform any reality we're given into the reality we want. One where broken bones, broken spirits, and broken systems all find their healing. And it's not just about fixing what is broken. It is about nurturing what actually makes us whole. I love that idea of the healed femur as being a sign of civilization so much. I've just had a broken foot. John has a broken rib, cracked rib right now. We are the walking wounded on this stage. And I would not have got through without the support of my friends and people looking after me, that sense that care is core to civilisation. Now, in this final part, Sister Janti, we're talking about how we make change individually and together, how we affect change. How did you... I mean, looking at you now, you're such a kind of respected and wise global leader and it just seems like you must have just walked straight down that path and here you are but how did you work out where it was you could be most effective where you could make change i'd like to share a story it's a short story and i was 19 and i decided that this was a life i wanted to have a spiritual life and I told the founder this and he said he knew it already he'd seen the signs much earlier than I had recognized and then at some point we were just together on our own 93 years of age and 19 years of age and he had a question he said is it possible for everyone to be happy? I didn't have an answer He replied, yes it is Then he said, is it possible for everyone to be healthy? Again, I was quiet and he said, yes it's possible Third question Is it possible for everyone to have enough for themselves? Again, the response was, yes it's possible and all of this is possible only if we deal with the negative forces of the human being. The lust, the greed, the anger, the ego, the attachments. But you can't tell people to do this. What you have to do is start practicing this yourself so you are able to overcome all of these within yourself and then others will see the happiness that you have, the inner wealth and health that you have and will want to do the same. And so that was a major turning point in my life. To start with yourself. That's right. Do we ever finish? No. Definitely, definitely there's a point at which we can come to. I've seen human beings who with the power of silence and meditation and spirituality spirituality have been able to reach there. Were any of them psychopaths? No, I'm joking. Maybe in some birth they were. Sean, how do you deal, I mean, in the work that you've done, you've housed, you know, refugees in your own home for many years. You've looked after, you know, the community where there's housing, but, you know, poverty, addiction issues. And we know there's these root causes of all of these problems. And you're at the end kind of tending to people and bandaging them up and giving them love and showing them care. Does that ever create a tension for you in terms of what impact we can have, what change we can be? I think it's important to begin with ourselves. There's a question that really we all need to grapple with, which is, is the life that I'm living the life that wants to live inside of me? How do we find our purpose? and how do we move boldly into a world where we can say a need doesn't constitute a call that frees us up from and this is where meditation is really important is how often do you get to the end of the day and someone asks how was your day and you say i have no idea you just know it was full it's when we don't stop we are just we're a victim to the noise and the emotion and it's like a page full of words with no spaces in it it makes no sense how do we press meaning into our lives and help them help that discern our path forward. So very early on, I was lucky to be invited by someone as Lisa and I were moving from Melbourne to Sydney and were heading into a high-density housing commission in Mount Druitt to live. One of my gurus said to me, he said, never be so arrogant to think that you are bringing hope into this community. He said, the best thing you can do for the next two years is to get yourself out of the way, is to sit down and be quiet and listen and pray that the Spirit will show you the song lines and the promises that have been sung over this land and then pray that you will be able to join in in helping inch those forward a little bit. You know, we won't make poverty history until we make poverty personal. How do we enflesh and embody ourselves in a way that helps us walk alongside those with whom we have felt the call or the inner voice lead us towards. And to be humble enough to say, to trust and have the faith that the Spirit requires our participation rather than our initiation. And that stops me from jumping in to grab control and to say, I'm going to fix this, I'm going to do that. My prayer now is help me participate. Yeah. Linda. I come from the most vulnerable group in our country, the sickest, the most incarcerated and the least educated. I was in a community a few months ago where there were 30 people living in a three-bedroom home, literally. So those things sit heavily with me. I was also, as you probably all know, very involved in the recent referendum that delivered a no-verdict on representation of Aboriginal people in our Constitution. the thing that I have learned I'll be 70 in two years the thing that I have learned is it is the humble acts that change things it is not the big sweeping legislation it's not what some world leader says that has very little relationship to any of us it's what we do it's about how we see ourselves and if you are a good person then there'll be good people around you you will raise good people and it is those humble acts those little things that change the world I have seen this I know this it has been my life applause I've noticed too lately to that point, Linda, when you see someone being really kind to another person in real life, how heartwarming that is now, you're like, oh my gosh, that person just cared for that other person because we're almost being fed lies about who we are through social media. Absolutely. And like I said earlier, Julia, it costs nothing to be kind. and I consciously, consciously do at least one act of kindness, deliberate kindness every day. Mm-hmm. And the people that see that, that has an effect that goes on and on and on. We're going to have a final meditation now with Sister Janti, if you would lead us through. Thank you. reflecting on the things I've been hearing about I go inside connecting with the deepest part of me the sacred space where there is stillness and I can connect with the divine and the love and compassion of the source reaches me and it reaches out encompassing the entire human family the light of love the light of peace the light of truth surrounds the planet and holds all those on the planet and these vibrations not only reach the human family where they reach out and touch all forms of life and the connection of safety and mutual support connects humans and all other forms of life and these vibrations reach out and touch all the elements of nature And the power of these vibrations are such that everything comes back into a state of harmony and order the order of love and truth prevails this is our future this is the world we co-create together with the divine I hold this vision of a world of light And as I come back to the awareness of the physical dimension, I keep this vision in my awareness and remind myself of this each day so that I move each moment in that direction. Om Shanti We're now going to have a performance from Carmen Warrington and David Jones on the singing bowls and the drums. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. gorgeous are our angels by the way coming out bearing flowers giving up their sundays um i really want to thank our panel today for everything that they've taught us for the kind of humble pragmatic kind of ferocious in a way leadership that they've shown which in many ways is profoundly counter-cultural it's they've spoken over over acts of kindness every day, of finding strength in silence, of rooting yourself in community and in other people. And the whole purpose today really is to think about wayfinders like this who have found ways forward in community and with each other. And I'm so grateful for the wisdom that each of you have shared with us today. I also want to encourage you with a story I heard only relatively recently, which kind of I think was first sighted in the 1960s, has had a few iterations since, but I think it's kind of perfect for these times. And it was a woman, a young girl, let's say young woman, standing on the beach, and the high tide had brought up all these starfish. They were stranded. They were lost. They were gasping. They were going to be dying. And she's taking them, and she's throwing them back into the water. And there's a man who's going for his walk, his morning walk, and he stops and says to her, you're never going to get them all back in. You're never going to be able to do that. You're not going to be able to help. And she picks up one, tosses it into the sea and said, well, I helped that one. And that, I think, is a good way of thinking about doing what is possible and what is before us. But it's genuinely been such an honour to have you all here and thank you so much. I know we're all grateful for it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And more of our beautiful angels. So gorgeous. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Bigger than that. I know. Now, our final musical treat is Tony Backhouse with the Cafe of the Gate of Salvation. this is this has been an explosion of joy every time I've seen them all sing so we're going to vacate the stage and make way for them now thank you thank you do you want me to carry that? are you okay? Thank you. Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of all. Do you need power? Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of all Do you need power? Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of all Do you need power? Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of all Do you need power? Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of all. Do you need power? Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of the Lord Do you need power? Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of all Do you need power? Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of all Do you need power? Do you need power? Do you need power? It's in the heart of all Thank you. It's in the heart of the Lord God's power. Thank you. you know the change in those lyrics power is in the heart of all change power is in the heart of man change to power is in the heart of all thanks so much to tony beckhouse and the cafe the gate of salvation aren't they wonderful i have loved them for a very long time i really want to thank all of you for coming up and participating today whether you're here physically or whether you've joined us online. Thank you so much for being part of this conversation. I think it's been really special. I've gained a lot from it. I hope you have as well. And I want to thank the Brahma Kamaris for organising all of this. And I should say as well, there's a QR code. Wait. Anyway, the QR code will appear. I can see one here. I'm sure you will too. Oh, there we go. Magic. If you want to attend a retreat or study meditation or participate in a self-development Of course, you can find like-minded people who scan that QR code here. And like all Brahma Kumari things, it is free of charge, which is excellent in a cost-of-living crisis, personally. Look, I just want to mention that every Thursday in the heart of the city that we're in, from 10am to 6pm at 180 George Street, you can find iMeditate, which is a place to just relax, recharge some batteries, and again, always free of charge. so do feel free to pop in there. Now, as you leave today, the concert hall, ushers are going to give you a wishing card that's got a personal affirmation message for you and on the back of the wishing card, you're going to find the QR code again today. So hopefully that's a way that we can begin a conversation, continue this conversation and people can stay connected to each other and we can all be the star throwers that we so desperately need in this world right now. So thank you so much for coming here. Thank you. I've got my own name too. Hello, gorgeous.54:T443, **Celebrating 50 years of Brahma Kumaris in Australia** The “Wayfinders: Ordinary People Changing the World” event creates a progressive mood shift from darkness to light, despair to hope, confusion to clarity, resignation to resilience, hatred to harmony. Join us for a transformative conversation on ‘Wayfinding’, exploring pathways to a brighter future, featuring world class speakers, international messengers and outstanding musicians. Sister Jayanti - Additional Administrative Head of Brahma Kumaris Dr Julia Baird - Australian Journalist & Author Hon. Linda Burney - Former Minister for Indigenous Australians Rev. Jon Owen - CEO, Wayside Chapel, Sydney Christiana Figueres – Co-Founder Global Optimism, former Exec Sec UNFCCC Katrín Jakobsdóttir – former Prime Minister of Iceland James Morrison – Jazz Musician Simon Tedeschi – Concert Pianist Tony Backhouse and the choir: Café of the Gate of Salvation Angels in our Town Heather Lee (Soprano) accompanied by Kim Cunio (pianist) David Jones – Drummer and Composer Carmen Warrington – Meditation Artist 55:T4ee,the british isles an ancient land with strong spiritual traditions like a heartbeat keeping rhythm with our deepest longings bridging these many paths with the eternal wisdom of india comes another voice connecting humanity to the divine source connecting us to each other connecting us to ourselves transforming individual lives transforming communities transforming our vision of a future world the brahma kumaris a worldwide spiritual movement led by women is marking its 50th year in the uk with a series of online regional events that celebrate the unity within diversity the insights and inspirations the friendships and fruits of the past 50 years join us on a journey of discovery on sunday afternoons throughout october and november as together we celebrate one golden heart beating in many ways on october the 10th in london on october the 17th in the midlands on october the 24th in east anglia on october the 31st in the south on november the 7th south west and wales on november the 14th in the north on november the 21st in scotland and on november the 28th a finale event in london new beginnings i'm genuinely interested in peace and i want peace to come [Music] for more information please visit www dot brahmaca maurice dot uk forward slash 50.56:T4b3,e [Music] we live in such an extraordinary world around 8 billion human beings and some researchers tell us that each one of us emanates around 70 000 thought patterns in a waking day it's almost like we're creating this collective thought soup when i tap into my true self my 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